8/31/2006

Ellen Gallagher

155 comments:

doug said...

it's funny because my mom used to work with her mom and then i started working with her. i live in brooklyn. there is a problem with identity in this work. here the identity comes from clerical skills, good time management and efficiency circa 1992. the abstraction is socialized through transcendent aspirations but negated by the lack of embodiment of anything except curtains or wallpaper, but probably not the good kind. the calm of it comes from boredom.

chucky said...

But don't you think she is breaking out a little. Her work is less Agnes Martin with a sense of humor and 90's identity critique, and more straight up poetic these days. I think the racial motif is irrelevant to some of her new work.

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doug said...

Yeah, maybe she is breaking out. Into what.

The racial motifs are like bracelets for the grid.

chucky said...

I am trying to decifer that. There is now an underwater theme. There are octopuses and squid. And there are hair paintings made from a gummy material. There are googley eyed grids made on school paper. I don't fault her for changing. I congratulate her for her ambition. But to what end? I feel that the strength of her work was in the gradations and sensitivity to line work. The message in her earlier work seemed flippant and not sincere. I feel that I will be called racist if I say any more. That seems unfair to say that though.

doug said...

I don't fault her for changing. Me neither. Are you a racist? I hope not. Bad idea.

zipthwung said...

Is she black? I saw the show show at Gagosian. I like the paper sea creature stuff - theres lots of it and its not too crafty - some rough edges and its on white paper without color so you know its art and not snowflakes.

White whales still rule this country. One of them is called Rumsfeld. If you dont support the war you are a facist. Gotta go listen to bush.
Islamofascists!

chucky said...

I'm not, but I resent having to be so tender about the subject. Lets talk about it and air it out. I just mean that if I question her work it is a touchy subject because of the rampant racism in the US.

no-where-man said...

i think it is fair to say there is a "look of black Art" the whole entertainment likes packageable. it is safe and it sells.

do i sound racist? to not not mention it seems a greater crime. walk around chelsea and tell me about diversity.

chucky said...

there is no diversity in chelsea, except for sexual orientation. Am i right?

doug said...

The only diversity I see is sexual.

chucky said...

that said, I am a fan of her work for formal reasons.

doug said...

Formally speaking it is very beautiful but I am more appreciative of deformity. In honor of sexual diversity for one.

chucky said...

What do you mean? Are you saying that sexual diversity is deformity?

doug said...

Diversity is within me deformed. I am not speaking for anyone else. I like curlicues and think they are a beacon of perversion. I like that part but not on a grid.

flesheater99 said...

I fell for Agnes Martin's and Robert Rymans work once upon a time. There's a 25% chance that I could still care. And about a 10% that I actually do.

Gallagher's stuff I never got.

doug said...

Try to commune with that 10%. What would it say about minimalism.

chucky said...

How much of Agnes Martin's work is personal myth? She is such an interesting and philosophical woman. I admire her sophistication and dedication to one principle. Is it meditation/meditative? Is that the message?

doug said...

The message is very plain.

chucky said...

The principle of being plain? A plan to be without embellishment. And gallager is the flourish on the plain? And the charming paper is the childhood innocence that is not present in her Agnes' work.

doug said...

Charming paper and also charming plasticine, Chucky. Is that your given name? Or is it Charles.

chucky said...

BACK on topic! Folksy materials:

CYNICAL?????

flesheater99 said...

"personal myth" ?. really? I thought one of the pre-requisites of a myth is that it be interesting. Or at least outside the boundaries/limitations of human design. Martin;s works are no myths and Gallagher's work has never manfested itself as childlike nor haveing 'childhood innocence' to me. Children would not indulge in such droll activities.

chucky said...

children's school paper bored at school activity to pass time while sitting still maybe?

martin is a hermit.

flesheater99 said...

it shows.

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doug said...

Anyway there is nothing in the definition of myth that says it has to be interesting. How many myths are really boring. Worse than cutting paper as a child.

chucky said...

Her studio is her cave. She is the original cavewoman in artistic terms.

chucky said...

Good point Doug. Tell me an artist myth that is boring please.

chucky said...

Flesh eater. I don't know of a child who would do this either, except for an asbergers child.

flesheater99 said...

it was kind of a joke(re:myths being 'interesting').

But my point is that if your going to make a personal myth it should elaborate/extrapolate/cast possibilities/look good on a Pegasus.

What is the myth/explanation behind decor designer colors (I like)and pinstripes/color bars? Seriously. I'm curious.

flesheater99 said...

artist myth that is boring=Matthew Ritchie

doug said...

Right so now we are on the same page about myth, especially personal myths being boring. We know that cutting paper and repetitive marks are also boring. So the myth could be communing with aliens or become blind while getting your hair done. Those are reasons to have designer colors. Maybe.

chucky said...

Matthew Ritchie's myth is too obscure. It bores me too, but does the viewer need to know it? I think Agnes Martin is mythic as a personage. Her work stands withing the context of her personality, but her actual paintings are not based on myth. Can you think of anyone else?

chucky said...

Doug, I don't folllow. How do we know that cutting paper and repetitive marks are boring. Please don't speak for me. BTW, Gallager's new work has a lot of paper cutting.

doug said...

I am confused.

doug said...

Are you saying that Gallagher has Aspergers?

chucky said...

Does Ritchie have a designer color? I digress.

flesheater99 said...

yeah maybe cornfused here too.

I don't think that personal myths are boring. nor is cutting paper/repetitive marks--Matisse/Arp;Twombly/Riley respectively-->badasses. But I do think if Martin;s got a personal myth to air in her work it's snoresville...nay snoresipoli.

To elaborate--Really enjoy Ritchie's work rreeaallyy loathe the 'myth'/personal rationalization/legitimization. Unnecessary and barely interesting.

chucky said...

Flesheater. I see what you are saying. I didn't know that arp cut paper. Is that true? What is Riley's first name?

I am not saying that Martin's personal myth interpret's her work. I am saying that it makes her work more compelling because the plainness needs justification/myth for me to understand how she could make these paintings for so long. I love her character and her philosophy.

chucky said...

She has a noble character.

ad3pt said...

personal myth? give me a break. if you really want to think so hard about it, then maybe engineering is a better field.

i dislike ritchie because of his cartoonish/illustration tendencies. I do however respect the fact that hes got his own language and symbol references.

hating on agnes martin? are you crazy? dudes, shes epic. the only reason your hating is because your art teach profess who makes appropriated nonsense told you it wasnt cool to like abstraction.

and to that point, needless to say thats a good thing. the more ppl that do exactly as they're told, the easier it will be for those that break rules.

long live painting.

chucky said...

I am not a painter. Please calm down and stop showcasing your competitive personality. I am sure there is room for everyone.

doug said...

Agnes Martin is very good. Not boring at all. No one told me what is cool or not. What are the rules you refer to.

zipthwung said...

STOP IT! You all sound like the same person. Definitely the same person.
Yeah. Voice.

Agnes Martin said "my work sells" - ergo, it has a paying=devoted audience. I dont know anyone who is in her audience, but Id sure as fuck burn the theater down if I could. Fire Fire Fire, Liar. Transcend farenheight 451, bitches.

The Dia as an institution was built by a few devoted followers. I like Fred Sandbacks yarn - talk about reaching the limits of material and still having presence. Jeeze that is the thinnest picture plane ever. Infrathin- an imaginary number, the lonliest of all numbers, the fulcrum -key to the void.

Stellas bung hole painting below covers up the void, the sphincter is blocked by a the parallel lines that also intersect in non-euclidian space, which is curved space-time, which is what allows the universe to fold in on itself, like a sphincter, holding back cosmic shit - or demons - depending on your weltenshwang.

You people have an axe to gring with Miss P-Town?
DO tell.

flesheater99 said...

If memory serves, Arp made cut-outs and dropped randomly...pasting wherever the chips so desired to fall.

actually, ad3pt, those professors you speak of are the ones who taught me to dig Agnes Martin. My own path has led me to realize that they are thin and non-relative to my own progression.

chucky said...

Digressions, Zip. Can we please get back to the topic at large. ELLEN GALLAGHER.

doug said...

Swarming fields of information with socially loaded content, organized into neat rows and columns. What to make of that. Where is the sphincter there Zip. Where is the void. I don't know.

doug said...

I kind of get it with the sea creatures but not the hairdos. Not the lips and eyes.

zipthwung said...

Well I was wondering if she was black, and if so, what makes you black. Maybe someone could direct me to some reading so AD3EPT sticks around so I can kick it in the shins.

Bell Hooks? Alistair Crowley? I read Zizeks "Looking Awry" and I think maybe blackness is defined by whiteness, or something like that.

Objet petit a.

Or maybe black is poop and white is CoolWHip.

flesheater99 said...

It's a stretch that sphincter...and he knows it. But nice try. Hell, I'd take "a spincter holding back cosmic shit" as a personal myth anyday. Too bad it's just a cool Stella painting.

zipthwung said...

here

here

feed me

zipthwung said...

AWESOME!

no-where-man said...

took in the show while back @ Gogo.. bamboozled.

Cross said...

Strong statement in this painting. (Expecting strong disagreement here.) But for me, this is like an Agnes Martin painting slipping away down and out of the frame... and what is left? Well, there's the true void. This artist is asking herself and others "What will fill the space A. M. has left?" And, more generally, when a style passes out of currency, what comes next? It has much in common conceptually with Motherwell's Elegy to the Spanish republic paintings. Same sense of loss...

(I always come too late to these discussions.)

zipthwung said...

Is Matthew Ritchie black?

zipthwung said...

short-sheet

PRONUNCIATION: shôrtsht
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: short-·sheet·ed, short-·sheet·ing, short-·sheets
1. To make (a bed) by doubling back a single sheet so that the bed looks properly made but will not allow a person to lie at full length in it. 2. To short-sheet the bed of (a person) as a way of playing a trick.

chucky said...

what do you mean by banboozled?
And short-sheet. How does that apply?

closeuup said...

I always listen to what black people have to say. They never seem to be boring.

closeuup said...

Bamboozeled is a Spike Lee movie. You can google this stuff u no.

chucky said...

There is a history to it's meaning. CLoseup. I am asking no-where to elaborate. That is what people do.

doug said...

Elaborate please on the functionality of race.

chucky said...

DOug, you are not making sense. How is race functional?

kelli said...

I appreciate Chucky bringing this up because there is a kind of identity art where someone just inhabits or emulates a tradition and the subversive nature and content of the work rests entirely on the person who made it. I don't think she falls into that category at all because there is something really unique and original about her. For me they are a little too slight and witty but I can't take away from the fact that she has made something very specific. There is something to be said for originality at least I believe in it.
I guess this is a hot topic because the art world is racist. It starts earlier than the gender disparity too in art school.

chucky said...

Kelli, I agree. I like thinking about art in terms of specificity as well. Which artists do you think inhabit a tradition without owning it?
I think Ellen G. touches on the subject of race very delicately in her work.

chucky said...

Maybe you mean Kara W, but her work has gotten so baroque that I think she really, really owns it.

zipthwung said...

KW doesnt own shadow cut outs anymore than Keith Haring owns stick figures. Or agnes martin the grid.

THese people all appropriated a form and made it their home, like hermit crabs in fibonacci spirals.

KW has personality but its an institutionalized one, just as KH has an affected generic (calig)GRAPHIC quality.

Taking on GRAPHIC=corporate/symbolic forms is a way of "talking back" to mass media/societyy - something everyone does.

Tota-total toalitarianism.


God I love laughing at GWB.
But listening to him - its a mind fuck.

kelli said...

Naw I love Kara W she's the only person with the stones to make history painting and she occupies the tradition of sillouette in an aggressive manner. I don't like to single people out for abuse. Besides identity is one of the themes in this work not it's whole reason for being.

doug said...

Kelli what do you think the meaning is in EG's work. Aside from it being specific or original, what is she saying about race? I want to know your opinion.

chucky said...

zip- you missed the point. Obviously I mean inhabiting.
kelli- I can't think of too many other history painters. KW has gravitas and humor.

chucky said...

Doug, Sorry to dismiss your comment. I just don't understand wha you mean?

doug said...

I meant the way in which race is used and coopted in order to establish dominance or play the victim. See? Who is who. Everything is leveled out on the white man's grid.

doug said...

Speaking of white men what about Mark Tansey. He shows at Gagosian too. Haha.

chucky said...

bo bartlett and vincent desidario,
Julie Heffernan,

kelli said...

The grid could be interpreted politically either literally as a sign of Cartesian dualism ( we owe the grid to Descartes) or as a symbol of blue chip modernist art. I like that she screws with it, throws in personal stuff, clogs up the drain with hair. In a subtle, quiet playful way. Loud is good too but just recreating art history ( no names) is tired.

doug said...

That is a good way to look at it. Thanks Kelli.

chucky said...

I have no idea who you are refering too. maybe you could just use initials. I'm wondering why one thing is tired and another is not. Also I like your metaphore of clogging drain with hair.

chucky said...

Doesn't everyone inhabit history? Is it that the appropriation is too close and not transformed enough or is it a content issue?

doug said...

Chucky what is tired to you.

zipthwung said...

Kellie - with KW - I wonder what the goal is - the spread of the silhouette into ubiquity like unto a Luis Vuitton bag? I can dig that.

WHen i look at the silouhettes - what if Ralph Ellison re-wrote his book over and over, but just with different light bulbs?

This is something I dont want to be or do, however its probably a delusion that you can make yourself new every few years?

Definitely self defeating.

Unless you are in entertainment.

Look at how Madonna went from being a whore to a Kabalistic guru. How did she do that?

Also, identity must be big with people because they sure do like buying stuff with themes.

Look at Stella, my god, how he's changed!

doug said...

I consider certain people to be outside time.

closeuup said...

"That is what people do." If u want to elaborate on bamboozeled--go ahead.

Elaboration or shorthand. Definitions or bleeding borders. Its all good. Because as EG is proving, immanence and transcendence are happening simultaneously all around us all.

chucky said...

Okay, of the history painters (conservative type) that I mentioned earlier I think Bo Bartlet is tired. He is using the multi-figured format of history painting, but the figures are vacant faced. he is missing content. History can be "recreated" only if it is in another context. Also I think that Seward Johnson is a failed history painter/sculptor.

chucky said...

closeup. You brought it up, now you must deliver. That is how it works.

doug said...

Immanence and transcendence are happening simultaneously all around us all...I guess I don't follow, Closeuup. How does she show this. And also, I always wondered why you never correct anyone who calls you close up.

doug said...

Chucky do you prefer failures or successes.

chucky said...

Seward Johnson is a guilty pleasure. I prefer him to Henry Moore sometimes.

zipthwung said...

Inhabit. Indeed. I get really annoyed by people who claim to own stuff.

PROPERTY IS THEFT.

I heard Lucy Lippard lives off the grid. But she can do that because people on the grid call her and buy her books and stuff.

"I meant the way in which race is used and coopted in order to establish dominance or play the victim. See? Who is who. Everything is leveled out on the white man's grid."

I need to make more pawns.

Bamboozled is good - art in galleries is a broadcast medium, and so goes from being personal (micro) to public (macro)

I think Lucy said that too. Great minds think alike, or at least most people do.

chucky said...

Now we are talking taste. And where does that fit in this discussion?

doug said...

I have some pawns for you Zip. In the void behind the sphincter.

zipthwung said...

transcendence is BIG BROTHER

Im afraid of the mother of all bombs.

zipthwung said...

SOmeone said neo-cons are hung up on content. Is that true? COuld I say that at a party?

Im not into anal chess.

doug said...

Zip are you a woman?

chucky said...

How does this relate Zip?

kelli said...

Just to be a total pain in the ass and throw a wrench in the gears in the discussion of identity and identity art:

"There are plenty of Last Days signposts to persuade us that nothing is worth doing and that each one of us lives in a private nightmare occassionally relieved by temporary pleasure. Art is not a nightmare, not even a private dream it is a shared human connection that traces the possibilities of past and Future"
" I was in a bookshop recently when a young woman approached me. She told me that she was writing an essay on my work and that of Radclyffe Hall.Could I help?
Yes I said. Our work has nothing in common.
"I thought you were a lesbian" she said.
-Jeanette Winterson, Art Objects

chucky said...

How does this relate kelli?

chucky said...

It seems to me that Jeanette winterson is saying two opposite things.
1. art is a shared human experience.
2. My art has nothing in common with her art.
3. Lesbians' art shouldn't be lumped together.

doug said...

Kelli are you saying that transcendence is not Big Brother but art, like the collective unconscious or something? Yesterday you were talking about Jung. Self-deprecation and David Sedaris may be related to this somehow. And then your point is that people should not be put into convenient categories....I am just trying to follow.

doug said...

Chucky those were 3 points.

closeuup said...

closeuup or close up, i know who u mean.

I just like the way EG finds connections among instances of social history and abstraction; personal and political. She is swimming around in deep waters, big circles.

doug said...

Do you really think EG's work has anything personal in it?

kelli said...

Winterson is saying personal experience and identity matter but are not the only matter. She's an old fashioned humanist totally opposed to what she calls " the fad science of essentialism". Her work includes her sexuality but doesn't neccessarily create an oppositional voice. She isn't creating an opposition between personal and shared experience. It's a very old-fashioned view of the interconnectedness of humankind and art. So I thought I would throw this wrench in the gears.

chucky said...

why? Not sure how this relates to Ellen G. Could you elaborate on where you think E.G.'s work fits into this spectrum? I'm just curious. This is a positive thumbs up from you I am guessing.

zipthwung said...

JW apparently doesnt define herself publicly as a lesbian artist? What is she a god?

Im not human, I know that.

What if you never got accepted in the role you wanted?

"What a ROTTEN-bit-part-sidekicking-asswiping teletubby-ROLE!" You might paint on canvas.

Yes, all black people make and love african fractals. They are weirdly unique in that. Go to a black man for african fractals. Go to Sierra Leone for diamonds. Do not go to the asteroid and mine them yourself. Black men make fractals in my world. SOmetimes these fractals look like "forms" but I am not deceived. Black male art is like Leggo to me.

THe world would be a better place if everyone imitated urban poor youths between the ages of 16 and 65 (when they retire, if they live, many of them do).

I think that relates. You do the math.

teamtruth said...

Doug:

"The only diversity I see is sexual."

doug said...

Teamtruth, I mean it, I love sexual diversity. Zip, I don't follow your fuzzy math.

no-where-man said...

chucky, - have u sceen it? i was thinking aesthetically in terms of the play on "painting black face" and images like Bouffant Pride, 2003
as well as the "personal myth" of the educated and 'other's relationship to what is a white male power structure and how that informs the work at large.

zipthwung said...

Shades of blue bloods? SHort sheeted bedpread? I dunno, I could go on.

Im relating stuff to personal experience.

According to Lacan or Zizek or whatever artists are like criminals and they want to get caught.

Caught at what?

Beign a pillar of the black power movement, obviously.

zipthwung said...

Shades of blue bloods? SHort sheeted bedpread? I dunno, I could go on.

Im relating stuff to personal experience.

According to Lacan or Zizek or whatever artists are like criminals and they want to get caught.

Caught at what?

Beign a pillar of the black power movement, obviously.

doug said...

Do you consider yourself a situationist Zip? Are you over 30?

chucky said...

bluebloods to shortsheeted to bedspread to personal experience to lacan to zizek to criminals to pillars to black power movement.
I am connecting the dots with you zip. fancy people sleep in good sheets. they tend to read in bed. They read intellectual books, but how does this relate to the black power movement? Are you saying that Ellen Gallagher is neutering political subject matter? I am trying to understand you zip, but you like to be opaque I think.

closeuup said...

zip is a puzzle maker. puzzles with bleeding edges.

look. the EG painting looks like a bed sheet...and he didnt even mention the quilts of gees bend, for once.

I think Ellen G is doing what Kelli says Jeanette W is doing. Alice N also? What do these artists have in common???

Duh.

zipthwung said...

Trust no one.

What Ive read of the situationists is interesting.

I allways get confused by sign-signifier talk or art/not art because I think meaning is embedded in an object - everything else is artifice, or as Picasso says, a lie.

Except lies are true in that they have usefullness in the order (to tell mystic truths).

One of these uses is the "VIP room lie" where there is an infinite regress of VIP rooms - each one better, of course, than the last.

My third grade teacher taught that concept in school. She gave us permission to tell lies in class. Probably because she was bored. I know I would be.

zipthwung said...

I guess what I really want to know, aside from if the artist is black or not, is whether this painting is classified as some form of visual pun.

for example is a culturally encoded tripple entendre, i guess.

zipthwung said...

here

brent hallard said...

In this work Ellen has more in common with Dan than Frank. The more quirky political stuff in nice, somehow drawing or pulling yarn from this particular state:
calm politic
funny calm

chucky said...

a vagina?

doug said...

Brent, Dan who? And where is the vagina, Chucky? I don't see it. Just orderly zones. No void, no point of origin. I am still confused.

brent hallard said...

Dan below doug.
and.... yeah I didn't get chucky maybe chalk and cheese? or maybe It's part of the Nickelodeon?

Anyhow with these things you do have to slow down, kind of hard to do--and, at least I wasn't trained not to look for/at things. I don't know how many painters, artists, just let things come, and then it's very much a different sense and arrangement. Looking is sort of the same sort of way.

zipthwung said...

Anyone know anything about Tensor Calculus?

Because unless you do, I cant talk to you without a rebreather. Or whatever.

Status, rymes with dadas

kelli said...

Closeup I was comparing Ellen G. to Jeannette W.. Thanks for understanding. But do some statements artistic or otherwise only appear purely oppositional because of the pens society puts all it's different varieties of cattle into. Isn't Malcolm X's "I am the man you think you are" a statement of humanism?
I like seeing people screw with the grid.

wade said...

I like it. Manages to be gentle and austere at the same time. Moving off center opens up a space allowing for representational interpretation, mental play with the image. In the way there could be flowers or people jumping to their death.

I've always thought Ellen was cute with those intense eyes, but was usually more attracted to what I imagine her to be more than the work.

I agree with doug's stella post about sensibility. I think of it as sensibility intertwined with personality, in an astral since. Some experience with the astral body also lets you read crappy jpegs a littler better.

Doug and chucky say some interesting things but maybe you talk too fast, too much like a who's on first routine.

Here's a cute video allegory about themodern artist.

vita sackville-west said...

Wait, is Ellen a lesbian? Winterson is a good writer, but she's no Virginia Woolf.
Hi Kelli.

doug said...

Vita, your name sounds very familiar. Maybe we went to school together. Duh, Vita, Ellen is not a lesbian. In fact there is no such thing.

vita sackville-west said...

Doug, I think we met in Persia during the party for the Shah. You are brilliant! I remember you from your sheer brilliance.

Cheers!

chucky said...

Kelli, call me old fashioned, but I don't know what "the fad science of essentialism" means. I do not see any references to sexuality in E.G.'s work, except perhaps the hairdo paintings, because hair is inately sexual and the primping of hair is a coy device to attract sex. But she is placing hair in the context of black beauty parlors and the fact that they are still very segregated. Things that have to do with touching the black body were segregated in the 60's (the adverts she uses are dated) abd they still are if you think about it. Segregation exists in the beauty salons and in funeral parlors.

teamtruth said...

Doug:

"Ellen is not a lesbian. In fact there is no such thing."

kelli said...

I was comparing orientation in one person's work with race in another's. A subject within the work but not it's central reason except perhaps in the eye of a given beholder. The words are Winterson's. I think she is expressing a philosophical disdain for the reduction of identity to only one apect of one's personhood as well as contempt for the way certain artists are marketed and marginalized at the same time ( more obvious in the whole text).

vita sackville-west said...

Hmmm, interesting. Maybe Kelli is referring to the proliferation of fad hairdos that are frankly not attractive or essential. Some people have got this down to a science.

doug said...

Chucky you are daft. Kelli wasn't saying that Ellen G. is a lesbian, she was using Winterson's quote as an example of mistakenly lumping people together in convenient categories. Chucky slow down. Take a breath. But however I love what you say about the beauty parlors. Segregation is everywhere.

doug said...

We are sometimes segregated for our hairdos, yes.

vita sackville-west said...

I am partial to a tight bob, myself. It goes nicely with a long string of pearls.

doug said...

In the same way that you do not allow me to touch you because you are female I can allow you to touch me because I am male. This is part of the unfairness. This is present on the mutated grid.

chucky said...

Vita, please explain. Society wishes your hair to be structured. the loose and free, the afro, the tangles are unlawful and sexual. I like the bob too, but I prefer the spangled and the tangled. Don't ask me about my hair. It is falling out.

Kelli, i might understand what you mean now. You are saying that sexuality, race, gender, belief systems are fluid. Don't tie this artist down To only read her work in terms of race is limited. ALSO Doug and Kelli, I agree with you completely. Kudos.

chucky said...

male pattern baldness is destroying my fractals, right zip?

doug said...

Chucky I dont' think you are in possession of fractals. Don't mock Zip.

kelli said...

Speaking of the mutated grid does anyone know where the expression "off the grid" came from or how old it is. I think about a decade. It definately comes from after the advent of credit reporting. I think in the past people routinely lied on their resumes and skipped the electric bill when they moved.

doug said...

But anyway I do agree with you about the hair being sexual, there are so many more options for women. EG shows us this.

doug said...

It's not the grid of the city, Kelli? Is it related to off the map? It's the electrical grid? Huh.

chucky said...

I am envious of women's hair. Once at work I accidentally ran my fingers through a coworkers hair. She was talking to a friend and then they were silent. It was embarrassing but unintentional. I scampered away because I was afraid she would call HR. She didn't.

vita sackville-west said...

Brilliant, Chucky. Sociey really does bugger about in our bloody hair, so to speak. I wear a bob to conceal my "loose and free" attitudes toward sex with a variety of partners. I must throw the wolves off the scent.

vita sackville-west said...

The electrical grid is failing us, Kelli, Doug.

vita sackville-west said...

Chucky, although I am more attracted to Kelli. I would like you to run your fingers through my hair.

no-where-man said...

The Grid RULES

chucky said...

Vita. It would be a pleasure.

chucky said...

Rules what, Nowhereman? The grid creates conformity in my mind. I am with Kelli on this I think.

no-where-man said...

life in nyc for one, my explicit numerical index has corners... video all day, night - pixel party!, monitor frame with in a frame.. projector light on the wall, grid constructions. within energy.

never been a fan of shaped canvas.

chucky said...

okay, you prefer video and new media to paintings that fit into the grid of the canvas and what not. You discriminate against painting and the freedom involved in the brush and wet media.

no-where-man said...

no, not at all i love paintings and spend a great deal of my time looking at them... and a good deal drawing - y would i be on this site otherwise? media is not that important to me - voice and style are.

video is practical.

paintings are also effective, effected = by the grid, in form and context.

Cross said...

Can't escape the grid. We live in a horizontal vs. vertical world. The symbolism is too strong to break out of. If humans lived in space where the horizon-tal and vertical had no meaning, maybe 2-D art would change.

teamtruth said...

ad3pt says:

"the only reason your hating is because your art teach profess who makes appropriated nonsense told you it wasnt cool to like abstraction.

and to that point, needless to say thats a good thing. the more ppl that do exactly as they're told, the easier it will be for those that break rules.

long live painting."

brent hallard said...

Two eyes, a nose, and distrust: Very strange stuff--personally interpreted as getting over one's skill, and knowledge, to the Unequivocal.

Someone asked me a Language point and I replied, 'a prepositional pronoun has been passed down to us since and before the world was flat'.

Do words describe things, state, distrust? Or are they bridges, or are they surplus, I ask?

anna jonker said...

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+ELIZABETH PEYTON+ABDUL VAS+LAURA OWENS+ERNESTO NETO+NICANDRO MERXELINO+VIK MUNIZ+SUWON LEE+BRAD KAHLHAMER+ELLEN GALLAGHER+AZIZ CUCHER+CARLOS AMORALES+RAYMOND PETTIBON+

Anonymous said...

I will ask a silly quiestion that everyone seems to know already. What do Ellen GALLAGHER's images have to do with racial issues. Yes she has images of black people in her work but is not clear how they add up to commentary on race in culture and in art history. Please someone tell me.

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