8/22/2006

Elizabeth Peyton

69 comments:

zipthwung said...

I know there is a Cinderella story in here somewhere. Wicked stepmum?
Because it looks like she's getting pulled off the page by her ear.

THe greeks painteyes on their boats so they can see.

closeuup said...

http://members.aol.com/nonverbal3/headside.htm

zipthwung said...

I dont think real artists paint portraits. Like you are going to capture the soul of the subject. Some give you a stronger feeling but its just an illusion, is always a portrait of yourself.
I could say more, you know, by googling what other people have said and then putting it into my own words so it's not plagiarism, per se.

Elizabeth Peyton, I'm putting you on notice.

zipthwung said...

lazy eye

painterdog said...

WTF! real artist don't paint portraits????

Well I guess Titian, Rembrandt, Frans Hals, Holbein, Degas, Cezanne, Van Gogh, George Bellows, Robert Henri to name a few are not real artist.

that said Peyton is a hack, and I can't figure it out.

zipthwung said...

contemporary artists dont paint portraits. Atavistic anachronists, do.

Baron von Rashke said...

"contemporary artists don't paint portraits."

Wow Zip. I haven't felt the need to chime in for quite some time, that is of course until I read that one. Something tells me however that you are just trying to be provocative. You couldn't really mean that.

kelli said...

Painter you are being mean. Is this outrageously expensive at auction week? And does somebody owe Karen Kilimnik royalties?

beadelog said...

Photography killed the portrait star.

flesheater99 said...

Elizabeth Peyton,

zipthwung has put you on notice.

I, however would like to put you on my lap.

I mean really. I love you...nay I fucking love you and I've never even seen you. Karen who?

If yr 1/2 as hot as your paintings I would drink your bathwater. Of course if your 1/2 the size of your paintings this all kinda weird.

so whaddya say? I'm a painter, you're a painter...

zipthwung said...

Totems, you can only paint totems. Its because the contemporary artist has reached a level of cool detatchment that allows distance and thus triangulation, in the form of a shadow, telling time, as it were. Were you a bird, you could bathe in the fountain, and thus, all a twitter, engage in idle banter beneath the rapier of the avant guarde.
Have you any dueling scars, baron? I have covered my blemishes in oil of olay. Or pearl cream.

For example, you say "good morning!" like some bluejay scolding an errant squirrel, and I climb the tree and poof! there you go in a cloud of feathers - breakfast.

Or if that isnt clear, say you walk into a store of native american folk art, and you spot a row of cleverly painted shamanic drums. Do you pound them like melons to see which has the most medicine? Or do you ask your chaufer to grab the first twenty and load them into the limo while you hoof it next door to the nearest wine bar?

This of course is known as a paradox (see Zeno)- were I in a limo (I havent ever been) I would be both alive AND dead.

painterdog said...

zip I don't agree with anything you are saying. But that's ok as you just reinforce my conviction that modernism or post-modernism is just an exuse not to study painting. You just say a lot of theory based BS and go out to lunch and then paint ugly paintings.

zipthwung said...

yeah, you're right. This painting has an economy of brushwork and simplicity of composition that belies the workings of a fevered imagination and a startling bejeweled intelligence.

A few questions though:

1) Is meg white a good drummer?

2) Ever hear of the band Beat Happening?

3) Almond eyes or epicanthic folds?

4) You vs. Joseph campbell - emile durkheim referees. What is your totem animal?

5) How close are you to the jungian subconscious?

a) very fucking close
b) not close at all, but you know someone
c) paris Hilton has a lazy eye, and she has like, three facial expressions.

zipthwung said...

behold!

zipthwung said...

or here

kelli said...

I could take Joseph Campbell. I'd go all archetypal on his ass. Karen.. Karen Kilimnik you know gentle melancholy and idol worship with pop references.... the first time.

wade said...

I liked her paintings when I first saw them. I guess after the auction prices go up and they start showing up in museums one is supposed to start dissing.

Are these last two what happens if you try to paint a face like a mondrian (the dumas being his late watercolors)? Compare mondrian's reptetiveness to the these last two.

To me, it seems Peyton perfected her thing and there is not much suprising in them any more.

flesheater99 said...

1. Meg White is the perfect drummer for the White Stripes.(capital period)

2. Beat Happenings best was Black Candy. Jamboree was pretty good. Nice and sparse ala Peyton...but her work suggests more Galaxy 500 than BH.

3. Almond

4. totem animal? chupucabra? no wait...a slick ass cheetah with flybacks and cell-phone holster.

5. Jungian subconscious? never heard of her but Paris has 1 facial expression and her lazy eye aint' got shit on Shannon Doherty's---who happens to look a little like young lovely here c/o Peyton

Baron von Rashke said...

Zipthwung,

I enjoy much of what you write. I generally am humored by your esoteric intellectualized verbal gymnastics and by (what seams to be at times) your random links. But I must say that my overall conclusion regarding your comments is that you should think about uping your intake of meals rich in fiber. Fiber supliments are good too.

painterdog said...

I said I don't like Paytons work period.

I do however think your just tring to be a provocateur, which is fine, but what your saying about painting is complete crap to me. I don't care about time periods, Rembrandt is still great because he transcends all the BS your talking about.

subscriber said...

Thanks for the contemporary thoughts, Clem
Talk about a thing in itself....
You are your own dialogue

JpegCritic said...

now painterdog, either you play nicely with zip,
or it'll be painting-time.

Martin said...

good within what seems to be an extremely narrow and limited range...

it is laughable to compare the very different things saltz has said about dumas and peyton.

zipthwung said...

I tried chewing some kuspit tripe (cow stomach) just now and I cant for the life of me figure out what he's advocating, but his quotes are nice. He seems to think Ann Hamilton is a cynical purveyor of ambiguous entertainment? I don't know. I dont like her work either, partly because I'm not into ravishing spit bubbles, but also, because fiber gives me splinters, and splinters get in my minds eye, needles, lies, camels and so forth.

Or is do you mean I should glue the toothpicks together? Bcause I can do that.

Baron von Rashke said...

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zipthwung said...

i had this

but I gave it away before I could read it. SOme dillrod said they (everyone) had allready read it in the French so I figured I could skip it. I eat dirt for the colon. Its free.

Baron von Rashke said...

What is good about what I suggest is that it does not involve reading. You actually don't have to read anything about it's history to have a good one. In fact, reading about its history most likely is not an answer to your particual issue. Ironicly, I suspect it might even complicate matters further.

I assume you are not serious with your eating of dirt comment so I will disregard that.

no-where-man said...

love peyton ! Hate what she opened the floodgates for.

zipthwung said...

Whats my issue? I am so very blind.

Baron von Rashke said...

I don't want to be gross in this public forum and I also don't want to embarrass you so I don't know how I should put it. You know, the reason you eat dirt.

painterdog said...

i think hes pulling your leg so to speak.
he's being ironic.

zipthwung said...

I saw somethink like this at zwirner, the other day

Rehashola. So uh, whats the point again? R and R?

zipthwung said...

Should I laugh or cry?

i got a 2

oooh how duchampian.

kelli said...

no where like who? unless it's too mean.the whole brushy little portrait of rock star Greenpoint group show genre? I really liked Larry Pittman but not many of his imitators

dirty girl chick said...

I love Elizabeth Payton's work. She visited my grad program as well and as was awsome!

I think what Baron is trying to say is that he thinks you need a bowel movement Zip. Whatever. I love what you post eventhough frankly I get only about 50% of it. It would be cool if Painter let you guest host this blog next time she goes on vacation. I would like to see what painters you choose.

cha said...

elizabeth payton's pics don't take my breath away......

Zip laugh and cry....keep em coming!

poppy said...

i have to agree with pdog,
what the heck is wrong with portrait painting? Not enough painters can actually paint.. this is a simple, what looks like a turpy washy painting on panel - which reminds me of some of the first student work i ever attempted.. that being said this is more slick than my first ass wipe portraits, and probably looks fresh compared to what seems to be expected in a more contemporary painting.. Nice to see people backing their asses up to the blue balled basics of painting..

kelli said...

Poppy that was dirty. I was just painting and now I feel I should close my drapes. Thanks a lot.

no-where-man said...

not dirty enough, - kelli. yes, i think its to mean to name names... but. that is exactly what i am talking about.

kelli said...

Look I don't want to back my ass up to blueballed Painting. I paint with little tiny 000 brushes and make color charts and now Poppy has made me nervous.

poppy said...

i would love to watch you paint with your little brushes - now i'm being dirty...

kelli said...

Did we do Elizabeth Peyton a disservice by not talking about this painting? I feel like she is so familiar it is hard to see it fresh.

painterdog said...

the painting is flat as a pancake.
all her work is.
its done frmo photos that she might take and that she gets from magazines.

So she does not stand a chance in my opinion of ever painting a good head.

Having said that I don't think that is what she is wanting to do. Paint a good head in the traditional sense.

I find her work pretty boring.
I like Jenny Saville better, she works from photographic sources as well but the paintings work for me.

Then there is Lucian Freud...

wade said...

Freud and Peyton, or Saville and Peyton are using completely different painting styles. I mean, you can't be free and easy and use few washes and be a perfectionist about the representational details, like the neck in this one.
The feel, ease of technique, and unfussy handling make these, at the least, have some sort of unity of, maybe tone, subject, and handling.

The comparison to "gritier"(and more worked) realists is misplaced. I was thinking of Mondrian because with bottles(or even landscapes) you can have a light touch and screw with design, space and rendering more easily without hacks bitching about your skillz. Which just means its not easy to pull off a light or pretty feel and do decent faces. As opposed to being light and ugly, like dumas or klimnik or a hundred others.

As to Peyton, personally. My impression is she has a gentle spirit. Not some people's cup of tea, I'm sure, but, believe it or not, sometimes you can separate personal distates for certain modes of being from a reasonable critique of someones painting. Probably not on a blog though.

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poppy said...

i agree that these do not need the volume of a traditional head, also they do not need to say anything about photography...
just because you understand how to create a volumetric mass with paint does
not mean you know how to make a great painting..

Cooky Blaha said...

nowhere name some names please

kalm james said...

Took my 15 year old by the MoMA last Thursday. He had an early school assignment to write an essay comparing two pieces of art, one that he like and one he didn’t. For the pro he picked de Kooning’s “Woman 1” (1950-52). After another half hour I asked what he didn’t like, he said every thing we’d see was pretty good. I said we’d keep on looking. Went through the print department, and there was a Payton portrait of Eminem, a nice sugar lift etching. I heard him snort, cough, take out his note book and say “I think I found something I don’t like Dad”.

painterdog said...

its not about styles. its about skill, about using it to make a godd painting.

I'm sure shes a nice person, that's not what I'm talking about.

If your good at making a painting, then it does not matter what medium you use.

As for the hack comment, I'm no hack.

wade said...

Speaking generically, pd. Sounds like your son is a prodigy, kj.

wade said...

Oh. And I wasn't talking about personality, maybe attitude is closer. Some people seem to prefer an attitude, and can't see beyond that.

clement said...

Someone mentioned intention. I see it and believe it in Saville and Auerbach but not in Peyton.

cha said...

Intention and weight... Peyton pics seem so light, thin.... unsatisfying...

wade said...

I dont' get the use of intention here. Seems you mean extra paint implies purpose. Maybe you should find other "thin" painters to compare to Peyton. Like David, I think some of his oil sketches were quite thin, and beautiful.

The jewel metaphor that appears so often is weak because the paintings are thin and light, not thick and um, intentional, I guess is the word we are using to imply someone has really tried.

I just think these are not "A" for effort paintings, and the comparisons to de Kooning or Auerbach, or Freud aren't useful. She's light and gay, like Hockney(or late de Kooning, ha). Celebrities, friends, napolean are painted the same way, its like new order playing as marie antoinette hops down a versailles hallway.

At least compare apples and oranges and not apples and and hamhocks.

wade said...

This david
Or This

But maybe this

painterdog said...

apples and hamhocks?

She is painting portraits, so you need something to use as a mile stone.

There is a history here, granted that Freud is not a fair comparison, but I think Saville is or at least you can use them for an example of 2 painters using photos, some of them found, to create their work. They are also around the same age.

JpegCritic said...

I'll buy her for a dollar.

As long as they take credit.
And that Greenspan's alive and well.

I'd buy this one cuz it looks
better than meg. It'd be better
with a wifebeater, though.

So... If I buy it,
what's my net worth again?

JpegCritic said...

I wish I had an alice neel. damn!
I never liked w. blake, but I'd buy him.
not for his thin painting, but for his
thick aura. So citigroup tells me.

cha said...

Wade.. not "thin" as in needing more paint/color. Rather "thin" as in not enough to keep me interested for very long.

Intention as in that I can see it going somewhere...

brent hallard said...

Kalm James, I'd be really interested to read what your son writes, truely!

vita sackville-west said...

Oh dear, this poor girl is so pale and sickly. Is it TB? Dare I say it...but Vanessa Bell paints a better portrait. Just, uh, saying as the kids say.

exu said...

auerbach-peyton-should not be in the same sentence!

kalm james said...

wade and vs-w, thanks for your interested replies. I think the kid inherited my lackadaisical and slacker attitude towards writing, but he did have some insightful thoughts on the DADA and conceptual displays. Growing up in a painters loft probably isn’t the best environment for producing an “unbiased” view of art.

art_brute said...

I like her work. Sure it could be argued as flat so to speak but do things have to be sculpted looking? I mean it reminds me a bit of David Park's guache paintings. They might look a little more sculpted but are essentially "flat." Still I LOVE Park. Would be interested to see what Peyton could come up with by abstracting the figures a little bit more like Park.

DAVID PARK

But I think Peyton's work has a refreshing feeling to the way she paints. Well crafted but light-hearted. Not taking painting too serious. I really think that's what her major appeal is.

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art_brute said...

But then again I don't hold her in nearly as high esteem as Park. I think her carefree attitude and style of painting is refreshing in a sea of painters too enamored by painting itself.

But she seems a little TOO carefree and fleeting sometimes. Like that flap of skin that's supposed to be part of the girls left neck. It doesn't feel right. And those eyes seem just slightly off, etc. the carefree is nice but she should push harder still..........

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Anonymous said...

Peyton is one of the painters that heralded the so called return to "quality" in painting. The funny thing is that she can not draw i.e. her ability to draw things in vaguely correct porportion is so bad that no amount of stylization can hide it. Look at the hands in her paintings when she does have them not mention the faces. Her color is somewhat engaging because of the richness but basically she is just crossing breeding the palette of Schele and Hockney. Is Peyton's work evidence of how much the halmarks of quality in painting have been diminshed by years of paining is dead silliness.

Mariah said...

real artists don't tell other artists what real artists do.