7/16/2006

Rosa Loy

89 comments:

Painter said...

Rosa Loy @
David Zwirner
525 West 19th Street (between 10th Ave. and West St.)
New York, NY 10011
tel 212 727-2070 fax 212 727-2072

Lives and works in Germany

no-where-man said...

i thought they were very queer and kinky - shocked to realize she was with Neo Rauch!

Cooky Blaha said...

I thought it was a good show though I only really liked one of them. Surprised to know that shes 48 as the work seemed a little unresolved, like she was more at the beginning of her career....

painterdog said...

Well I have not seen these in person, but...she's in the same gallery as her spouse. wtf!

They look like shes way to influenced by Neo.

Also they remind of a painter from Scotland who is much better, Stephen Campbell who had pretty good run in NYC in the 80's, got sick of NY and went back to Scotland where he still lives and paints.

You all should check him out, hes with the marlborough gallery in London.

bluebalz said...

someone 48 can be at the beginning of their career, especially if they are a woman. did anyone read the drivel charlie finch wrote about her? yucky. i liked the awkwardness of them, and i liked her color, in a way more unresolved than neo rauch, her husband, but thats why i liked them.

closeuup said...

the thing about Charlie is he TRIES SO HARD to be obnoxious.

Cooky Blaha said...

I think Loy is in a higher league than S Campbell. His stuff almost looks like it belongs in Highlights magazine..and I think way overworked. The grit that Rosa leaves in the paintings let you see her thought process and what have you. I see Loy's stuff as more Leipzeig than directly Rauch influenced, though the comparison is a definite knee jerk reaction when looking at this show( I thought the same thing). Strong for a summer show nonetheless...
Shes not on Zwirner's artists list yet, does that mean its a trial run or something?.

no-where-man said...

Charlie winz the obnoxious award hands down.

painterdog said...

Campbell as Highlights magazine illustrator...
oh boy, I'm not going to argue, its not worth it. if you don't like Campbell so be it. He was doing this stream of conscience thing 20 years ago.

Seeing the procees does not make it a better painting.

Her work is akward and very influenced by Neo Rauch its so obvious.

Lasciate Ogni Speranza said...

I think Loy works differently than Neo in some paintings, perhaps at her next show, more will be resolved.

There IS NO LEIPZIG school, it is a marketing joke. Several of the artists know it themselves.

Cooky Blaha said...

I see the campbell relation, but its pretty weak to me. I see this kind of painting of more in relation to Balthus, Delvaux, and in the 80s I guess someone like Paula Rego(sic?).

Lasciate Ogni Speranza said...

I see Delvaux in this perhaps,
I don't know Campell's work, I saw something online that looked intriguing... I can't tell if its overworked and I don't get the Highlights comparison, that's farfetched from the little I have seen.
And who cares if her work is influenced by Neo...can she take it somewhere else is the question...

Cooky Blaha said...

on second thought scratch the Paul Rego link

painterdog said...

Paula Rego, is in a different league than this artist. I like Roach but Rego is so much more soulful.

I like some of Campbell's work some of it I think is real bad. But he's an interesting person, and his work has gotten richer with time.

He stopped painting for 6 or 7 years because he was fed up with his work.

Then he exploded with all this work in his late forties.

painterdog said...

Campbell was a steel worker in the ship yards of Glasgow(when they still had them)out of high school. Then went to Glasgow school of Art.

kelli said...

http://www.goodart.org/artoftdl.htm

How about Tamara deLempicka? I kind of agree with the remark about Delvaux too.

cha said...

Yes Tamara de lempica.... the colours.......

And why not show your unresolved work to the world.... someone may come up with an answer!

Cooky Blaha said...

I see Tamara, but kind of only in terms of the time period that this springs from(in inspiration). What is intriguing about so many of these Leipzig artists(even if its a marketing ploy they do paint similarly and come from the same area[s]) is that they seem to chose an alternate route of art history to continue, and somewhat effectively sidestep a lot of baggage that weighs many of us down. Thats why I think Rego doesnt really relate to this school, as her stuff is so clearly of the late 20th cent(esp 80s). Loy is kind of the most obvious example of these artists in their attempt to pick up from the 30s and 40s, while still feeling contemporary.
There is something in the paint handling that makes it feel current, but I dont want to see it just as late Picabia-acknowledgment(cause doesnt that make it just 80s-ish?). Personally I'm not even that crazy about this school, but I do feel that they make one of the more engrossing arguments for figuration currently.

Lasciate Ogni Speranza said...

I can easily gather a number of American Artists that paint similarly and call it a 'School' just from NYC or an area as large as Germany. This was conjured up and you fell for it...

On top of it, it is easily arguable that they look different and many of them don't believe the 'school' exists. I have heard a couple talk about this and have come across this in various articles and 'just look' and 'think' about it.

Cooky Blaha said...

alright so what do want call that group? almost every previous group were misnamed and categorized for someone else's sake, big f-ing deal...

please tell me the new name we should use to refer to Neo Rauch, Rosa Loy, Christian Schüle, Christoph Ruckhäberle, Matthias weischer plus maybe Johannes Tiepelmann and others, who all appear to be working in a related vein

Martin Eder, who I've seen grouped in with them, doesnt really seem to fit.

The only recent American groups I can compare too is stuff like paper rad, derrain drop, forcefield, maybe plus avaf, etc....However it doesnt really work as nicely. I dont see too many other groups..or maybe this whole frame of thought is just corrupt or something, and I'm duping myself. Please testify

JpegCritic said...

I'm interested in hearing about the magic-school-theory as well! Please, please testify!

painterdog said...

isn't that in florida?

JpegCritic said...

um I think that's where the original-original recipe of kettle-chips came from.

cha said...

magic .. in the eels/snakes..
What's in the basket?

JpegCritic said...

Painting in Leipzig, apparently.
Snake-oil? I'm interested in hearing
it from Speranza.

Mark said...

As with Rauch I like the compositions but ahh what dose it all mean?

no-where-man said...

thats where "obnoxious" comes in his whole "i know something you don't know" super-duper secret society club game - for the grand prize what did he study in collage? - i do miss walking down the street with him when he would shout "keebs" and cat call jerry and roberta.

Blog Warrior said...

Rauch studied collage? that's better than photoshop, right?
*giggle*

poppy said...

this painting is much flatter than rauch
they both got the weirdness factor working for them... what makes a school these days,, content, technique? I don't see the relationship in the latter..
we tie artists together with a very loose rope... because we need to - gallerys, curators, critics need to feel they still have a job to do.

zipthwung said...

"There IS NO LEIPZIG school, it is a marketing joke. Several of the artists know it themselves."

Its not hard to call bullshit on any group - i allready did, but Dante "I own hell" Venti Pellegrino here gets a response? Fuck that.

A school requires adherents to rules, commonly (tacitly or not) agreed upon. I dont see a connection between rausch and loy anymore than I see a connection to the ASHCAN school or as Kelley says - Lempicka (deco/soft cubism)
deco for decorative or decadent, not a bad parallel for the times, and Germany was the center for cabaret culture or something my history isnt that great, but Weimar is a good touchstone.

So if you thingk about school more as philosophically based I could go for a leipzig school, go ahead and convince me.

On the flip side against the denials - who wants to be considered directly derivative?

Still, this Rausch -Loy comparison is obnoxious. I don't see it.

You cannot be serious.-McEenroe.
Will Ferrell said it too, you know?

Cooky Blaha said...

ha ha
good one

zipthwung said...

At the risk of being populist Diego-Khalo - the movie was on and I fell asleep around where Frida cheats on Diego with some slut. That movie sucked because it focused on the relationship rather than the art - same with the Pollock movie.

maybe filmakers/audiences cant wrap their heads around more than three characters anymore. But If you look at the old movies it was all Mr. Plumb that and Mean Mrs. Mustard this, and there were secret passages to ropes and hot wax and russian roulette. I'll take Hitchcock over Scream 2 anydayoftheweek.

closeuup said...

But Johnny Mac really meant it.

This Loy is neither Deco, decorative, decadent, or cubist. It reminds me of that socialite that Painter had up a couple of months ago. My sidebar is gone, so I cant look it up. The little girl in the red interior.

I can't think of anyone on the West Coast who paints like this. Whooo. We lucked out.

zipthwung said...

worduup

zipthwung said...

5/9/2006
Kerri Scharlin

Looks like part of the Neo Rausch diaspora to me. Hasn't reached my neighborhood .

kalm james said...

A friend, a professor ant the University der Kunst in Berlin (the largest and oldest academy of art in Germany) told me that the Leipzig Schule was the brain-child of a very ambitious dealer in Leipzeig who got this group together before the wall came down in 89. This dealer was the only contact these artists had with the west and he could somehow export works from behind the “Iron Curtain”. Because they’d all studied at the Leipzig Academy he struck on the moniker. After re-unification the West Germans wanted to beef up the economy of the East so they were very liberal with grants and promotions including museum exhibitions. Germany has a long history of having the best collectors in the world and since the decline in the reputations of the “Heftig Maulers” they’ve been looking for another group that they could promote to the world that would display the German cultural supremacy and their new re-unification. Leipzig fit the bill.

What does it all mean? Looking back now it’s been over fifteen years since the collapse of the “wall”. Strange at it may sound there is a perverse nostalgia for the bad old days of the cold war. The Leipzig group has the patina of that period, like our current infatuation with the 60s and 70s. Plus what better Post-Modern gambit than to idolize a group of artists who were isolated by politics and never got contaminated by Modernism? Much of the imagery is based on some kind of socialist propaganda at least for Rauch. In a way this is what I’d call cultural “blow-back” the Germans repaying us for the forty years of stuff we shoved down their throats.

Is it real? Well like any other art movement perception is reality. There’s no other faction of society where illusion is more a reality than in the arts. So the Leipzig Schule is as real as Pop Art, or Minimalism, the East Village Scene or Billy’burg. Get used to it. Let’s start looking for the Beijing Academy next.

kalm james said...

P.S. Run, walk, crawl or cab to MoMA, for a peak at "DADA". They got all the bad-assed stuff that set 20th Century art on its present bad-assed course. Too much greatness to mention!

albino radio1 said...

Ms. Loy's subject is women. they live in the world of a fable. or so seems.

her subject is composed in various fantastical settings that hardly escape reality, and only do so through the crudeness of her rendering.

i think a lot about her 'style' looking at these, and an intrigued by the attention she puts into the balance between eye-pleasing familiarities and stuff that does a balancing act.

zipthwung said...

Thanks KJ that was very illuminating.

I head The hype over Chinese art was called "the new orientalism" or as I say "The China Syndrome" because of many of the reasons you stated allready and back to the original Armory Show, which hired a circus barker and used mass media to advertise to the masses, via mass media.

I guess some people think the Chinese are over their emultaion phase (modernism or whatever) and have now achieved their own generic transnational modern culture, but all I've ever seen is heavy handed allegory or "conceptualism" of the sort you see at rural universities across culturally impovrished america, or sometimes at not for profit art collective group shows.

no-where-man said...

Blog Warrior - Finch.

i thought "schools" were defined by basic things physical geography, realm of possibilities, media, time peroid and well money - i heard a collector talkin about how the Pop Artists were not even aware of each other until he had them all over for dinner one day.

Blog Warrior said...

no sh!t. joke. your comment, collage vs. college, following Marks.

PS said...

I like Loy a lot, much happening in her paintings. Sweet balancing act and they feel good, too. A soft rigor. Nice and sllllllllow and badass for real. I'm grit-positive.

zipthwung said...

eels

no-where-man said...

google "eel porn" it is pretty common, - if i recall right all these paintings had a fetish in em.

zipthwung said...

fresh!

yum!

cha said...

What's the painting name?
What are the girls up to?
I like the right hand triangle pull layout......

millerhuggins said...

I feel like Clem Greenberg when I say ...just use the upper right hand section of the jpeg, crop the rest out...but I don't know I don't really get it...maybe more of her work would flush it out...I do like that upper corner though.

closeuup said...

How about the left hand of the girl sitting on the bed--why is it on backwards?

cha said...

Yes I'd take off the vertical 1/3rd on the left...

millerhuggins said...

this painting is greener than green...snakes in a basket, snakes making a pattern up the left side, Thalo green here, thalo green there, thalo green with white in it...you take the lipstick off the black tight wearer snake holder and this painting crumbles...snakes in the folds of blue blanket covering woman not holding snakes...ugh. that lipstick...little touch of red makes barely lovely. The black works a touch. Hiss, Hiss
Diebenkorns, Matissean vision allowed to survive in a lenient environment.

bouncer2 said...

Perhaps leaving the one-third and adding to the composition would help...

Are you kidding Cha?

All these comments, when it comes to who the artist, is derived from is a pure reflection of self; does anyone know what she considers her influences?

dubz said...

it bothers me that it's assumed that Loy was influence by Rauch... could very well be the other way around...

brian edmonds said...

It is very much a take on Southern Folk painting from the 1800's. Her figures remind me a bit of Peyton. They have a feminine look to them, somewhat androgynous.

bouncer2 said...

my god,
the comments become meaningless...perhaps because she is still working things out and people are projecting-way too much-... a reflection of her more than us?

bouncer2 said...

...or us more than her...

brent hallard said...

fffff.... hey Zip you're riggght... got to be able to cut it up with a sharp knife and still shiver...

pretty complicated picture kind of making me dizzy... this is the kind of stuff you all like ? It's another world for me. Still--doesn't hurt to meal in another room other than the meal room, right!

bouncer2 said...

of course,
c'mon why do you log in brent?
is there a part of you that yearns for representational work( althoug this may not be it)?
why bother?

Cooky Blaha said...

quik brent who's your fav contemp painter?

bouncer2 said...

c;mon brent?

poppy said...

hey bouncer, question unrelated to this conversation...

are you painter? the reason i ask is because painter never posts and there is always someone here that just invented a new profile..

Get on here painter, you want to have a conversation about painting?...what do you think of all these paintings that you post? Sorry i'm being really nosey, I'm too curious because i couldn't have a blog myself that everyone visits and not post- I'd be obsessed actually.

are the eels making their hands turn grey or are their grey hands turning the linen into eels? or is it just super fucked?

epilepticadam said...

i have not seen Loy's work ever and look forward to the show...

from this image, it does look like neo rausch.

epilepticadam said...

i have not seen Loy's work ever and look forward to the show...

from this image, it does look like neo rausch.

bouncer2 said...

I am a professional painter(make a living at it),

I do not understand your question though Poppy...
....
Please expand on your ideas, I'd like to engage...

I am new to this and it is through a specific friend of mine that I bother to blog... yikes...

kelli said...

Hi Poppy: I know Painter in passing and he/she doesn't often post because well, Painter is a kickass painter who spends a lot of time painting and also because the forum is intended to be democratic and he/she doesn't want to limit the discussions or inhibit people from speaking.

bouncer2 said...

I am new to this, and am a luddite via Columbia school...
jeez...

bouncer2 said...

Bye bye,
I go....

brent hallard said...

Cooky and bounce2

UM, Well, first shot for me in a museum was a 72 X 72 self portrait in black and white oil with silver and gold oil stick on Belgium linen, entitled "The Judas Kiss" it had this foil of a wright brother's wing coming out of the right eye. Something to do with flight, as I remember, another wing, also a dagger. The other eye had its eyelid replicating drifting off in a curve out to the other side of the canvas, very feminine, and soft.
Some time after it seemed the outer sheaf was doing something else, though still remember that first bed partner, and its hang! And really consider not a lot has changed!

Besides It's all bitmap and history!

Best Contemp? There are too many!!!!

epilepticadam said...

so sorry,
it Does NOT look like Neo Rausch from the jpeg;, I await to see it this week...

Cooky Blaha said...

if there are too many pick top 5 still alive and working

Cooky Blaha said...

ps I have no idea what that 1st paragraph said

no-where-man said...

they are wierd grey latex german fetish eel sex gloves.

Orientation

Blog Warrior said...

I would love Brian Edmonds to elaborate on the Southern Folk theory.

And I can't believe Painter is too busy with He/She issues to comment. I mean really. I guess that's the way the he/she roll.

kelli said...

Painter puts a lot of time into getting the best image to fairly represent an artist to people who might not know all their work. He/she will even call a gallery to get a better image.
Geek trivia: In regard to he/she male is not the root word of female as is commonly supposed. It is femellus, also the root of fetus ( to suckle) and was spelled with an e until the 1300's.

Blog Warrior said...

More Geek Trivia!!!

brian edmonds said...

Blogwarrior
I am referring to the type of painting done by untrained artist during the 1800's. You seem them a lot in Southern museums. Flattened figures, somewhat childlike, set in a specific period trying to capture everyday settings. I tried to google and find some images and references but I could not find anything of note. Probably because those artist are relatively unknown except on a regional basis. The best I could do is Edward Hicks.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Edward_Hicks_001.jpg

Blog Warrior said...

So are you suggesting Loy is emulating said style or just is ..of that style? (truly asking)

Painter said...

Hi Poppy,
Thanks for your interest in me and my blog. I post as Painter and that is it. I don't post comments to often that is true. I do however read all the comment everyday, pick the paintings and try to respond to all my emails. I think a lot about the blog and what is said here.
I think you asked before about my picture site. Those are of artist friends and my life around town. I just like pictures.
Sorry if I don't answer all of your questions but I guess I don't think me personally is so important to the blog.
I am glad you have joined. You say good things.

Hi Kelli. Thanks for saying I am kick ass, that was funny.

poppy said...

thanks painter,
that was enough background to satisfy my curiousity... alot of great comments and suggestions here!
You are very important - i consider you my dealer and this my new drug...

Now i want to see your kick-ass work
show me please before i go into withdrawls.

poppy said...

German fetish eel sex gloves - ha
that's what i was almost thinking!
Please send me a pair..

millerhuggins said...

... just following ancient his-tor-y if I grab an eel for you... will you grab an eel for me.

JpegCritic said...

Oh yeah! Please post more! Where's the flood?

oh/ for a sec I thought I was at
the 'other' blog about grabbin eels.
While I'm here, I must reinforce Poppy's sentiment
Bravo Painter!

Hope you're getting as much out of it
as we are.

JpegCritic said...

Oh and can you please post those
apperently 'lost' lesbo scenes cut out of
the original Basic Instinct?

brian edmonds said...

I don't think she is emulating the folk style, although you never know. Her work just reminded me of those paintings. I'm sure her style is derived from a contemporary source of sorts. Once I explained the folk art commented, did you understand? Could you see it?

kalm james said...

Dear Painter,
Thanks for the medley of Germans, keep ‘em coming. Just wanted to let everyone know we have nothing to fear. I’ll bike over to see the Loy show this afternoon. This piece recalls the great scene from “Tin Drum” where they drag in a horse’s head from the North Sea and it’s full of eels.

Balthus I think might be a potent influence underlying much of the figurative impetus expressed on this board, (psycho-adolescent feminine sexual angst). Freud weren’t no painter.

Mark said...

I saw the show today in the sweltering heat. I'm still draw in by the compositions, her paint is not great but that works in her favor, most cases. I like them but also reminded me of paintings that end up in thrift stores. I don't consider that a bad thing either.

ducktalez said...

newyorker:
History is simultaneously compressed and expanded in Loy’s canvases, like a fever dream in which fairy tales, medieval manuscripts, Renaissance icons, feminist crusaders, and modernist masters make cameo appearances. Unlike her fellow-Leipziger, and husband, Neo Rauch, whose drab-hued paintings are an inescapable touchstone, Loy avoids grand German narratives and draws on personal history, including her family’s move to the city from a small village. Pitched roofs, owls, and snow, along with flaxen-haired maidens, give these paintings a properly Teutonic flavor. References to the Asian-influenced compositions of Gauguin (by way of Hiroshige) and the Morocco-tinged paintings of Matisse add still other elements to an already complicated, but pleasing, painterly mix.

painterdog said...

dear newyorker:
The checks in the mail.

cadmiumredlite said...

i saw this show today, i loved it, you really have to see it in person not a jpeg, and although there are superficial similarities to her husband Neo, i think she is original, her color is really really good, better than his i think, you cant help compare since they a married, but i think she is so interesting.

no-where-man said...

eel porn