tres Heinz Edelmann
ahh yes. The mcGeeification of art.The missionification of the gentified.Over it. It's a brand now.
but can u draw half as good as either one, peggy?Mission style seems to be in diaspora--portland, nyc, all the hinterlands. J de balincourt picked it up an ran wit it.It's a beautiful life, loser.
no but I can pack a bowl just as good.
What do you mean Mission style?Sorry for my ignorance, but is this not a style of furniture?I know Balincourts work there does seem do a lot this kind of work out there. Does nothing for me.
i've always been kind of captivated by her work in person. it is very well-crafted and the images and patterns are complex and weird. i wouldn't write it off as anything trendy without considering that most of the less successful stuff we've seen copied rojas, not the other way around.
We don't see much Barry McGee here - except maybe formally, but only a little. CR offers more content and narrative than BMG's boring graffiti and geometric patterns. She seems closer to Jules DB or Chris Johansen and the psych-folk thing.
yeah, i agree. there's a real love of objectness here too. they're almost sculptures.
I first came across Rojas’ work at last summer’s Feigen group show curated by David Humphries. The work is reminiscent of McGee, and a type of California Graf that’s also been labeled “hobo art.” There seems to be an intentional reference to sign painting and roadside trading post art, cheap souvenirs knocked out for the tourist trade. The palette is nice, with a sensitive use of earth tones, and she does get a lot of mileage out of her basic drafting skills. Saw more work at the Armory show in March. Seems Clare was co-opted pretty fast, good for her.
well, we must remember the late queen of this genre, the absolutely incredible margaret kilgallen.
Re the verbose conversation in the previous thread - "so many 'artists' cannot think for themselves and that is sad."Sanctimony aside, I don't think its for lack of trying that most artists can't "think for themselves" You could make your own clouds -been done? Wave tanks for new waves. Analog synthesizers for analogies. Hit your head against a wall. Paint what you see.This painting sucks. It references modern art and folk art at the same time which woopdeeshit leaves me cold.My favorite story in the post today - this kid gets hit by a bottle. stops and asks the gang who threw it, dude comes out of the crowd and says "I did," then knifes him.Moral of that story is if you get hit by a bottle and you want to do something about it, go home and smoke a bowl.
a gallery full of upside down vans and animatronics tagging is not boring, somthin bout the Mexican muralists -no?
Margret Kilgallen was pretty good. Too bad she left us so early.
We didn't catch that reference, no-where-man, but we are open to your explanation~
Jack Tworkov said something like “all artists are affected by other artists.” In the practice of painting, whether you realize it or not, you are part of a conversation, a discourse. Someone throws out an idea other people bat it around for a while. Some of the most original work ever done was in responses to other artists, or works of art. Occasionally there are the “blessed holy fools” who somehow create greatness in isolation, but even that takes the awareness of people with the ability to see its “relevance” in relation to “what’s happenin now.”
Except for the first artist.
http://www.artbusiness.com/1open/061606.htmlI think Claire has really developed her drawing skill over the last few years. Her work always reminded me of Indian painting or Persian miniatures. The refined and precise style and fairy tale-ish stories. They are fun.
Back at the beginning of life on earth, two amebas were sittin in a bar. The first one says to the second one “Hey I’m gonna be an artist.” The second ameba says “What’s that.” First ameba says “I don’t know, but it sounds fashionable.” Second one says “Get a job asshole.”
Barry is a street artist. Skateboards and graffitti. Go look over at wooster collective site. Everything there is Barrys world east coast version. Check out fecalface.com. Thats the w. coast outpost.Claire is something else-mystical, beautiful-yea more like Chris J. --hippy dippy. O sorry psych folk.One thing about SF artists--they are either skateboarders or buddhists.It is interesting to wonder how artist couples influence each other. Frida & Diego (no wear man?) Charles & Ray Eames, Tony Oursler & Jacqueline Humphries. And all those other much more sophisticated examples you can think of.
"I think Claire has really developed her drawing skill over the last few years"That's cool in a "growing up in public" kind of way. My eye-pencil has gone down hill. But I did just use the echo filter - pretty cool - makes those seventies tracer effects.RAD!
Im more interested in artists who do much with little than little with much - though much with much is best - havent seen a lot of that. Takes time or something, like good BBQ.
it was hot if i can dig out the tape i will put it on you tubeBarry McGeeClare Rojas as Peggy Honeywell, Opening Night, Barry McGee, One More Thing, Deitch Projects, 18 Wooster St., May 7, 2005, Photo Credit: Hikari Yokoyama
in art and life, life usually wins
please someone explain to me why anybody over twenty would think an animatronic vegan graff writer is cool.........................
that was epic, z.
Reminds me of an acid trip I once took. Went to Blimpies to meet my friends. Italian tile floor was moving. Within every tile, the color was swimming like a river. I thought--I know this isnt really happening, but I also know I'm really seeing it. I thought--I'm experiencing something visually that I already knew was possible. Now I really know it. Like art?
anybody saw any good group shows to recommend?i cant remember where the show rob pruitt curated is.....
some writer recently thought it clever totry to discuss BMG in Wagnerian terms.Don't remember where I read it... but thatkind of hyperbole made me want to smokea bowl.
1952, Dog!RAD!not art! Science!Pack a bowl bro!This one's for Deitch show me the money! watch this then look at your hand Fresh!
naughty by nurture
F to the R to the O to the N to the T
i thought rojas worked reminded me of someone, barry mcgee could it be?NO! a rad skateboard artist from canada that was in school 3 years ago..Why is this stuff so easy to rip off?are you a street artist or have auto street cred when you do? Only if nobody knows where your source material is coming from, and you have really long bangs.
Theres something very menstral about this painting.
Cooky, we really dug the group show at James Cohan. Rob Pruitt's painting, "Cocaine," is also in a group show at Paul Kasmin. Zip, thanks for the optill. Worth the ensuing headache.
isolating a figure in a brightly colored backround...having the figure made of delicately painted patterns and framing it with a patterned arch sounds like a pretty good recipe... somehow it's not working for me...all the pieces in the figure are too similarily sized, that red U-shape at one o'clock competes too strongly color wise with the nicely painted head/ shawl and makes a transition downward and to the right frustrating. The work is a bit frustrating period...I sense a willfulness to be a bit clunky thus the frustrating transitions...I think it needs too be either clunkier or more elegant...the state it's in now is not an interesting dialogue of two equal peers, Elegance and Clunky...some aspect of it needs to take more of a lead or the main crux of the artworks dialogue made more explicit. It's set up as an alterpiece..a renaissance composition, folk collage, persian miniature...I think Laura Owens' work below handles a similar world with the lightness it's due.
CHICKEN NOODLE SOUP WITH A SODA ON THE SIDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well your all going to LOVE the show at the ditch right now -After the Reality- heard one thing and that was sell,sell sold, after party - nothing to write home about but we prob. came and left to early.
i went too....shit suckedlooked like 2nd rate min kims, and that aint sayin much
how about the video? i was kinda into it and it went well with the after party.
yeah the video looked better but the crowd in that room was too intense..@trip.. not the kasmin one, I think there's another
i will look up the names but the video in the front room on the flat screen was hot and also large at the after gig with DJ：Towa Tei playing, and in the back room there is one of Ronald Mc and the other of Col Sanders and they are force feeding each other eachother fast food is fetishy political pop and fun
other good group shows Barbra Gladstone, Dereconstruction (bit pedantic but worth the trip) & Metro Pictures... a billion opened that night more will come to me.
Damn, bunch of stuffy painters here? Or jealousy?This is probably the only one of the last 20+ paintings posted here that I would even consider buying or want hanging on my wall.I love the quality, love the composition, love the blending of patterns and abstract with realism. The references in both the patterns and the imagery, etc. And I love that it's not 100 in. x 100 in. - It's nnot trying to be important by being huge like so many painters do.A lot of the paintings posted here are too caught up in trying to be conceptual, unique or different, and stuck on itself. She's doing what she likes, enjoys, and is good at - and it shows. While still not my favorite artist (and I actually do love conceptual art) but that doesn't mean I can't like this. It's good.And why the hate on Barry Mcgee? This guy is one of the best draughtsman of our time. I swear if you ever get to see these etchings in person you will be completely amazed at the detail and character of the etched line. http://www.editionjs.com/site/newartist.php?id=mcgee
"Barry Mcgee? This guy is one of the best draughtsman of our time."Hyberbole will get you nowhere dude. This is paintersnyc. Fact is this painting looks a lot like a lot of other stuff, so what differentiates it? I dunno, there is the idea that formal compostiion matters, and I don't see this as a standout. As stated above it's clunky - but not that clunky. The narrative is obtuse, and if you like wolves, patterns and folk tales I guess its ok - but arent there better examples of such? Miro? Kandinski? Max ernst? I dunno, its all good. Name some chicks.
This is poetry--not narrative.
"...This is paintersnyc." Holy crap! Oh my god that's funny! Anyway this painting is a little decorative sure, and Miro, Kandinsky, etc. I'd probably take over Rojas, but I don't see this as a ripoff at all. Fact is a lot of painting looks like a lot of other stuff. Rarely does anything new come along. It's better be true to what she want's to do then to pretend to create something new and or satisfy the marketplace. I'm actually not crazy about this style, but I think she is one of the best at it right now. Was she first to market with this wave of art? Don't know, but early I think...
paintersnyc indeed - huge audience...as it should be.In conclusion: ladle rat rotten hut.Wheres the beef?
art_brute, I don't read the general sentiment here as being particulary hateful (though perhaps a little jealous?). There are a few posts here that lauded the artists and their work. I think some of negativity was aimed not directly toward's McGee or Rojas, but the hold this style has had on subsequent generations... At least in SF, where the so-called mission style hung over us for what seemed to be a decade, already... like a party that should've gracefully ended a long time ago. I think we're recovering nicely.Remember the championing of Tuymans: The effect was such that for a while, everyone in grad school seemed to paint with the wan palette of deadpan subjects -- and it hurt Tuymans, most of all. So it was with the so-called mission style. I think McGee and Rojas, and of course the late Killagen are definate talents, though not overwhelmingly so. I think it's harmful to define them as anything broader than that.
You guys never stop to amaze me with your ignorance.Claire Rojas has been doing her thing for a while now.derivative what? She was know doubt inspired by Barry/Margaret's installations.. but they were all friends, thats what happens when friends inspire and push friends. Besides she is a part of the "mission" artists who tend to be interested in outsider, folk and punk art. Here imagery is original and skilled. Its always a nod to your originality and impact when people copy your style, as some young artists have with her. most of you seem like artschool kids or have an undergrad knowledge of art. ever quick to pull names from the beginning of the last century. Look at your on work and push that instead of shooting down accomplishments you may never reach.
artsok, if look around, you'll realize that a lot of painting being done outside of SF is pulling from the beginning of the last century. Hence the attention to it.
discharge- maybe some of the new york neo neo expressionism thats been around for the last few years (but is dying out). but why bother..the loquacious Zipthwung said "The narrative is obtuse, and if you like wolves, patterns and folk tales I guess its ok - but arent there better examples of such? Miro? Kandinski? Max ernst?"What the relevance is that.
"...better examples of such? Miro? Kandinski? Max ernst..."I think they're trying.. in chelsea. But haven't i seen someernsty stuff at Katherine Clark lately?On neo neo expressionism -- you're probably tired of that cuz of the SF figurative legacy that hung around like a bad party for 40 years. I know i was tired of it.
sorry big typo, i meant; what is the relevance of that.we all look to the past for clues. but, to bring up such artist as better examples is fruitless.. time has already considered them great. so, discounting Claire Rojas because of Miro or Kandinski.. silly.. why bother talking about contemporary art at all.Im just glad theres been anything good coming out of SF. the last time art out of there was widely renown was SF figuration 40 yrs ago
" the last time art out of there was widely renown was SF figuration 40 yrs ago"Yes. And I am bitter, artsok, partly of that. I went to the Toot for grad school. And all they showed me was their Funk legacy, some smattering grade-b installation art, Helter Skelter, Daniel Clowes and skater art. Meanwhile, there were important developments outside SF that I had no access to, out of Bay Area ignorance. I paid for grad school. Why did I come out of it, as a painter, not knowing who Kippenberger was, or Tuymans for that matter? Talk about ignorance!
I'm tired of when you got tired of something.What do you love, what do you like, why?Something Earnst-y at CClark? What might that be?
I like gushy paint. I saw a large Oehlen being installed inchelsea last week, forgot where, but it's right in front ofthe window, but gallery was closed. Cant miss it.. I reallydig Oehlen. I like Victor Pesce. Geez. Um...Susanne Simonson at Feigen. Jocelyn Hobbie's perky tits.The Feurer camp and the Zwirner stable. Thought I'd getmore out of Sylvia Sleigh at I-20, it looked worse in person(too large and not well painted). I'd like to eat an Eisenmann.
Could've been Timothy Cummings, closeuup.
artsok, i've already seen undergrad kids take this painting and push it far beyond what is shown here by Rojas. They did that in 2 years. Knocking this work is not jealousy, by ignorant undergrads, its just knocking the work. And Ignorance, Ahh can be far more refreshing than the crusty tree of knowledge. Everybody take some blocks and patterns and play with it for a while, maybe even overlap one with the other, maybe even throw in another style of painting in or around it somehow... give me a break about the jealousy stuff, anyone can be an artist and anyone can do this.
zipthwung: "paintersnyc, indeed"Oh boy, LOL. self important bloggers/new yorkers, I don't take anything or anyone on any blog seriously. Yes myself included.And poppy, why does it need to be pushed? In 2 years? Get real. I'd highly suspect that these undergrads pushed this concept way too far. It takes a long time to see when you've pushed too far and where something is comfortable. Restraint is huge. Anyway it is what it is. And there is overlap here, there is combinations of styles and influences, it's just melded all together to look cohesive. Look deeper. It is good but sure I admit it probably won't reinvent painting. Does it have too? It's a hell of a lot better than most painters who think they are. So let's not get too high brou here.fin
these are not "studio artists" copying out of text books, it is expressive part of a lifestyle.
"Look at your on work and push that instead of shooting down accomplishments you may never reach. "I'm allread there, brah! - just looking for where to go, but Ad fucking Reinhardt says there's nowhere to go, and so Im back where I started, as the Kinks said, but not in a Hegelian way, more in a "you cant go home again" Tom Wolfe kind of way. Bauhhaus - in the middle of our street.Crossing the river, twice, you know.But I reference the some older branded cannon type painters for several reasons - one is I'm lazy, but another is their near universal awesomeness - Im not trying to exclude anyone - just trying to make a point, like saying ham instead of ponchetta - I use the main deities, not the mortals dig?Chagall used folk, so did matisse - who used pattern, and better. I dont know why this painter isnt following matisse because as it stands shes got nothing on him. If PUNK is the esthetic where is the op art? And if FOLK=PUNK then we have a problem, because I am into plugged in amps, a la Bob.I like TinTin Comics better than this painting, even though they fail to overtly critique colonialism. Fantagraphics has some nice titles - but those san francisco(TM) people seem to have hobo folk art wrapped up. Why is that? Beautifull Losers, indeed.So befroe you get all agro and tell me im missing some gnarley paint chops, look out of your own blue room and see the shape of the wave.New York uber alles!
no i dont take bloggers very seriously eitherbut you seemed offended earlier, or thought most of us senseless, oblivious, undergrads.... taken too far? this? didn't realize it was a schooled concept already...part of a lifestyle?, fine and dandy- but we won't say whose... easy trend, ill buy that too!
painting is suppose to be prettysaid and done
This painting looks pretty studio art to me - not garage or punk.What isnt a lifestyle?
forgot about thisOptastic!But hype aside the shape of the influence of these kids is highly debateable - why I brought up Fantagraphics. WHo influenced Dan Clowes, for example? Because his line looks like Barry McGees, dont it?In conclusion this whole chain of influence thing tires me out. I know I made a conscious decision not to paint like a cartoonist, just like these san fran dudes made a conscious decision to do the opposite.I moved to NY.
You're lucky you did! The alternative would be having to stare at the same orapollo until the day you die.
HA! Funny Dizcharge. At least Debbie aint no Buddhist.You should go to the art murmur tonight. Mite see something u like.
might do that closeuup.
me too. Last thing--I like the tear-shaped faces that both she and barry are doing (see the one in the laughing figure's hand). That's an icon that fits into my lifestyle.
vertical native american sand painting.
zipdung said: "Barry Mcgee? This guy is one of the best draughtsman of our time."Hyberbole will get you nowhere dude. This is paintersnyc. Haha, hyperbole perhaps but grounded in reality. In the words of Lawrence Rinder in regards to a grouping of drawings by Barry Mcgee that were recently acquired by the Berkely Museum, they're "incredible for the fineness of their creation, you just can't believe they were done with pen and ink."Zipdung said: But hype aside the shape of the influence of these kids is highly debateable Uh, yeah, very debateable huh? Museum exhibitions on almost every continent, acquisitions left and right, that's what these 'kids' have been up to. So what has zipthung been up to? What blogs has he infected now that he destroyed pntrsnyc?
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