Joe Coleman @ Jack Tilton8 East 76th StreetNew York, NY 10021
Joe Coleman, "Biting the heads off Live Mice", the Kitchen NY, 1981, Joe Coleman, blowing himself up at the Red Fox, New Jersey, 1979Excerpts from EASTVILLAGE 85, a Guide. A Documentary, published by Pelham Press.It appears that Joe is not only a painter but a dietary and exercise guru
his paintings are really sweet. and so three dimensional! you just want to pop that little jesus off the frame and put him in your mouth.
In honor of Andy--I'll be wearing my best shoes today. They are red pointy Giraudon's that I got for $25 and they are sweet. John Giorno said Andy had a foot fetish and liked to lick his shoes and vamp his toes. Leave it to PBS to make Andy boring. I gave up after an hour of bad camera work over pictures from the family album. Dave Hickey came off like a dick-Wayne K. seems very pleased with himself for no good reason. Billy Name was great!
Didn't expect to get bored with Andy, but about and hour and 15 minutes into it, a friend called...and woke me up. Probably won't watch tonight. I've seen enough of Studio 54.As to THIS painting: kind of like the Warhol documentary. Too, too much.
sort of unfunny crumb-y-from a dated world of peirced,hairy whos-labored
Billy Name said Warhol "threw lightning bolts" which is a pretty cool thing to be able to do, because you can cause shipwrecks and decenter people's auras.The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony.--Susan Sontag, "Notes on Camp," 1964 (1)Fuck that mythopoesis-shit, I say. I invented irony, immanence, transcendence, and the french cruller.There was some earnest young academic type - the kind you like to blow pot smoke in their face and throw their art in theory book out the window John Belushi style(my pet theory chick is chained to a live jaguar).But Dianne von Furstenburg is the executive producer of the Warhol dealio. Get your Warhol cell phone NOW.Thats why PBS is so great. Monsanto's programming is pretty good, too.Joe Coleman WISHES he was as scary as Dianne and/or Monsanto.Sacco and Vanzetti!Ben Shahn is due for a NEW YORK retrospective, I'd say.Oh yeah, its hard being a VISIONARY Juxtapoze artist in a NON VISIONARY art world. And Andy Warhol mad e his own lightning.
More saddened by the documentary than anything else. If anyone was supposed to be fucked by the world it was him but then he wasn't. It's the underlying sadness that made his work so good- it's hard to think of anything except Rosenquist's mushroom clouds that comes close. You know the quote "reasonable people adapt to the world, unreasonable people expect the world to adapt to them, therefore all progress is made by unreasonable people".This painting is unreasonabe too though in a different way. I don't think the East Village artists look dated. Martin Wong is my favorite.
Love the Joe Coleman-circus poster/illuminated manuscripti-ll give u seamus heany (in honor of hugo chavez):Human beings suffer, they torture one another,they get hurt and get hard.No poem or play or songcan fully right a wronginflicted and endured.The innocent in gaols beat on their bars together.A hunger-striker's fatherstands in the graveyard dumb.The police widow in veilsfaints at the funeral homeHistory says, Don't hopeon this side of the grave.But then, once in a lifetimethe longed for tidal waveof justice can rise up,and hope and history rhyme.So hope for a great sea-changeon the far side of revenge.Believe that a further shoreis reachable from here.Believe in miraclesand cures and healing wells.Call the miracle self-healing:The utter self-revealingdouble-take of feeling.if there's fire on the mountainor lightning and stormand a god speaks from the sky.That means someone is hearingthe outcry and the birth-cryof new life at its term.
I wonder if Joe chews the mouse heads once he bites them off? Hey I kind of like his work, reminds me of the underground commix people like S. Clay Wilson, “Starry Eyed Stella and her Pirate Perverts” or the “Checkered Demon”, This painting is nice though Joe is one of those artists, like Alex Grey, who are cut out of the art mainstream and classified as “outsiders” of “visionary illustrators”. (Alex has referred to it as the “bastard tradition”) I do have reservations about painting as a last resort for “Geek Show” performers, though I guess honest work should always be seen as redeeming. Last time I saw his work was at the “Outsiders” Art Fair at the Puck building.
humm... to each his own i guess, i saw all 4 hours back to back at film forum and didn't loose intrest - maybe the big screen added. if i recall studio 64 was left out of the whole thing. seems like there were alot of very between the lines black humor moments - maybe i have just spent way to much time with his work, which seemed to be about everyone and everything but him and at the same time - him. I really do see him as the greatest Artist of all time.if your interested at all in his "story" read:The Life and Death of Andy Warhol by Victor Bockris (Author) notice most people are talking about this doc. and notthe last few paintings - so something must have been there. wheel in the sky keeps on turning? don't know style pisses me off and i am not sure y.
Why does everyone think graphic art is anti-art. Durer was primarily a graphic artist, very ambitious and practical dealing with vernacular images of his time and mass producing them. I see similarities to Warhol.There is something touching about this ferociously talented, original person who cast off the reality that he wasn't acceptable. The whole outsider concept ( Coleman) seems dubious. Illustration is such an old tradition. When did it become bastard? Maybe bastard is good.
Stuart Little has great illustrations ,by Garth Williams-it is odd to see syringes rendered cutely
Well we could talk about the Japanese biopic of Andy Goldsworthy - he doesnt throw lightning bolts, but at least hes not fashion. Fashion is something to be endured, like bellbottoms and bike chains. We are all victims of fashion, and yet so very few wake up to it and kill the beast.The Warhol biopic sucks on many levels - one of which unarguably is the derth of any new insight. Essentially its a vanity project, like, for example, the biopic of the less accomplished Damien Loeb "Damian Loeb: In the Public Domain" who appropriates stuff -.We all appropriate stuff, but WHAT you appropriate makes you the KIND of artist you are. Joe Coleman APPROPRIATES apocalyptic imagery. How much of what he paints is his own invention? Philip K Dick is more depressing than warhol - read the biography.
Studio 54, on west 54th street between 8th and 9th AvenuesGraphic arts are not anti-art, anti-art is anti-art, graphic art is generally work on paper, mostly used for reproduction, must be concerned with layout and composition light against dark etc and simplified design to be quickly grasped. I worked in this field (and still would if you want to give me a job) so I respect it, with caveats. As for “bastard tradition” that’s not meant as a derogatory term but as being unrecognized by your sire, like a bastard child.
KJ I wouldn't wish such a job upon you.Why would anyone wish to be such ablatant servant to commerce? Sure fine artas it's commercial underpinnings, but it issuch that the underpinnings are not so directlywired to the work -- enjoying the statusas thing-in-itself. And while the commercialartist does enjoy certain freedoms -- freedomfrom the client and the widget is generallynot among them.
Jpeg-ster, Strangely enough there was a great challenge in coming in to the shop and using your art smarts to try to get something across to the general public. It made me think in other ways, didn’t let you get comfortable with your old habits. I could play around with all kinds of techniques and styles that the “fine artist” wouldn’t be allowed to, at least not then (things have changed and a lot of this stuff is used in “fine art” now, for example using lettering is still one of my passions). But mostly it was being able to grind out a meager income with something like art work. Also it felt good to see the product out in the public. Rather than one painting there were ten thousand images floating around.Oh and clients are goooood, if you don't like yours send them my way.
I'll keep you in mind when I finally make my escape, KJ.With a warning that I once felt the same. Typography & interactivity being the gateway drugstoward the hellish nightmare of widgetdom.But having fun with wax and the copycamerais no more, unfortunately... more like widgetwankers and kernel panics.
I'm so superficial that I'm easily turned off by art simply because of the sorts of people who are attracted to it... wouldn't want to be one of them!.... case in point.
i love andy.
how quaint.to even think that even one knows howto 'sort' the kinds of people attractedto art, let alone the kinds of peoplewho practice it.
Jpegcritique, gateway drugs indeed. I always tried to use as much office supplies as possible, pounds of thumb tacks and staples rolls of scotch tape layers of board cut holes through inches of overlays, really obnoxious stuff. Played spin the push pin bowling, exacto knife throwing, good stuff. Poor Andy, they didn’t really talk about his whole thing in the eighties. This documentary makes him come off as a “good” Christian, (jees a "Christ narative" no less) despite what ever hang-ups he might have had. Not only will everyone be famous for fifteen minutes, but they’ll still have hope for redemption too, sweet.
a friend of mine works for an agency that considersipods as supplies -- gives them away to employees oncethey're done with their branding presentation, causetheir clients cant take gifts. ya know like when theyused to give away pens. ha!but still, wouldn't want to work with 'em. My frienddoesn't have time to paint anymore. I gave up painting,once to become an art director. no shit. I had faith inthe then-called 'new-media' to inspire me with a wholenew vernacular. Then, innovators like david carson andTomato (uk) and a whole slew of people coming out ofminneapolis yanked my attention away from painting andonto graphic design, new media, et al.But technology becomes so outdated and inaccesible sofast-- you create something, and it's disposed of thesecond it leaves you. Remember CD-ROMs? HA! Disposable.Like ipods. Design as well because it is fashion-driven.'Don't like brown -- well you better like brown, cuz pantonetells you brown is next year's color... blah blah'.Life-cycle-based. Like technology. Like technology based art. This is why I distrust tony oursler. Though funny thati still see value in paig's contirbution to art. But now, those paig TV's seem campy. Like typography. Fashion, man.Remember the grunge fonts? Hah.When I left painting, I thought: Cultural production ishappening everywhere but art -- Art, the little girl inthe corner of the rooom who giggles snydely,self-satisfied, while the rest of the world passes herby. That wasn't my idea by the way, but it was how ifelt at the time. I no longer feel that. Painting speaks--though on a much quieter level. Painting meets theconsumer halfway. It doesn't introduce itself to youas quickly and obnoxiously as say a magazine spreador a spot. Those forms have a built-in disposability,similar to product-life-cycles.Not that i care much for the value of indisposability.It was not permanance that led me back to painting.It was the quietude.
Cory Archangel did pretty well for himself, though.so i'm not sayin it's not do-able.But painting rules, as far asi'm concerned.
i meant - painting, um, as a technology.(what's the product-life-cycle of oil and pigment, anyway?)
Yeah, paintin, what ever that is.
Ha. tuché.Does painting need electricity to work?dunno. The thought scares me though.no juice, no art. like when i went for half a day withouta broadband connection.I was naked, man.
but even when naked, at least you have spit and dirt to make a picture. I'mthinking about the Schiele anecdote.Or that m&m guy.
Interview was wonderful for andy, as was working in tv for paik, Wall Street for Koons, Billboads for Rosenquist, store windows for johns - rauschenbergum.btw, whomever is sending me the Warhol e-mail hate mail, (i can only assume it is over something i posted here) thats just wierd. please keep it to the boards.
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