9/05/2006

David Kapp

49 comments:

Cross said...

David Kapp has a way of making NYC look west-coast, somehow. His recent work (2005) has a nostalgic tone, like the city he is painting does not quite exist anymore. Its energy isn't quite there, or maybe his isn't. Odd.

kelli said...

Wow you are a total asshole. And I am in my studio. Disagreeing with you about any number of things. It's part of my job.

zipthwung said...

hey phantomcock - is that an ironic name or are you a fan of sci-fi? Im a fan of sci-fi (i dont have patience for soft-fi, just hard-fi - which is to say speculative fiction involving interpersonal dynamics is like watching Oxygen, whereas the History channel has Futureweapons, which I like. I like the sci-fi channel - its more "the monster" channel though.)

This painting reminds me of the style of Diebenkorn - because of the self consciously deliberate hand look at the clean unfussy yet nuanced edges... the assured one stroke start on the three stroke motor.

Vincent Di Fate sci-fi meets the real world. Its cold, unlike the warmth of the painting before.
I dont like the style of either - too too.

exu said...

it really looks Theibaud-ish,diebenkornish,west coast for sure...

kelli said...

Phantom: Mennonite, Gnostic, Cultural Feminist, Artist as Alcoholic or Orthodox. Let me know your belief system and I will pretend to agree with it. I share Aleister Crowley's birthday which strangely is also Kirk Cameron's. The stars have destined me to be contrarian or to beget a soccer team of children and encourage Christian to live out their faith. Not certain which.
I agree about Thiebaud who was pretty great.

zipthwung said...

Arbeit macht frei right? Sieg heil.

I like the way the edges pile up in thiebauld, but look at Vincent Di Fate, who is contemporary with - the style is simular, but the content is different. SO who is better? WHy is one in a gallery? Different venue? Or is one taking a harder, colder look at reality than the other?

I dont think so.

kelli said...

I've clearly expressed my admiration for those artists. I admire Schutz and am irritated by the constant bitching and envy directed towards her. She's in MOMA because she deserves it. I was happy when the big gallery building opened on 27th. More opportunities for more people. Less orthodoxy and sameness. So why so bitter? Do you feel excluded or exploited? Inside or outside?

zipthwung said...

She's in MOMA because she deserves it.

WHo doesnt deserve it. And why not.
Maybe it sucks to sell paintings for lots and lots and lots of money. Maybe no one deserves a fate like that. Maybe museums are fucking charnel house pissoires fit for only the worst examples of toadying psycophants. Maybe the world is made up of winners and losers and museums are for LOSERS who think they are winning. Maybe Dana Schutz knows this intuitively but cant break free fo the shame spiral. I know I'd feel so much remorse I'd fucking puke before every performance, I mean opening.
Take your fairytales and shove em. Art is done while watching tv and drinking a beer. Reading is done on the toilet. Get real. WOrk is for suckers and hoes. I finally took a suppository and I think Im going to be fine.

PhantomCognition said...

P.S. Dana Schutz CAN draw.

kalm james said...

David Kapp has established a view of New York that is idealized, maybe more brilliant and positive that it ever could have been. He gets more mileage out of his grays than just about anybody, and somehow makes them upbeat and sunny. He continues to bang away at these cityscapes and has gotten to a level of proficiency that allows him to capture some of the unique qualities of New York light and combines it with a "New York touch". He’s no baby, and shows the kind of skills that only years of work can produce. He’s a nice guy too.

Phantomcoglition, we should all spend more time paintin’ but if folks wana yak that’s their business. Philosophical inquire is one of the functions of paintin’.

kelli said...

Phantom I don't know who you are talking to. I am selling work and have shown at the Armory show and elsewhere. I'm irritated by the application of rigid rules to art. I don't think there should be a few master artists employing teams of assistants. I think the assistants should have galleries. I'm not a victim but I was outside of the system for a long time and think more people should be included and should keep the freedom to make what they want. I'm looking forward to my show too. And a lot of other people's shows. I like to see different things included in the system. And the type of bitter criticality (outside) and materialism ( inside) that limits artists angers me.

zipthwung said...

I take everything I said back. ALl of it. Including the punctuation. See ya suckers!

banalhorror said...

Vincent di Fate is great. And more retro: Chesley Bonestell.

The light in this DK makes that street seem to be in suspended animation - very day the earth stood still. I like seeing the city like this.

kelli said...

Phantom why don't you e-mail me if you want to talk about me instead of David Kapp; ulula123@aol.com
You can't really censor what I say here but you could scroll past it and if you read my comments you will notice I am often defending the artists.

no-where-man said...

well if we read this as a story as many have suggested on this blog, my first thought is suicide solution.

kelli is cool with me.

zipthwung said...

Phantomplanet, I hate you. Please send me some nail clippings.

I like cooly neutral urban cityscapes ( this painting doesnt give me a warm feeling at all - in fact I find it as alienating as a hotel lobby (which can be good but its not where I like to hang out), but as an outsider I also like cool planetscapes, and kick ass double bladed battle axes.

kelli said...

WTF?
As opposed to what omnisexual or pansexual like the pastry chef Stuart Townsend played on Will & Grace ( who got flour on everything and even slept with Rosario)?
I was literally the only person who had anything nice to say about Francesco Clemente.
I appreciate this David Kapp painting too. It reminds me a little of Estes too who has been sort of forgotten but was great.

kalm james said...

Hey, I stood up for Saint Francesco too! (Just not that particular painting)

BTW this Kapp piece is pretty big, like 6 x 8 feet,and juicy too.

no-where-man said...

um, there is a pretty common theory that we are all biologically bi and the rest is environmental.

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kelli said...

Wow more of this? I've always been out even at jobs where it was not convenient. I don't like this narrow focus only on identity and limits placed on an artist's work. I said this in reference to Ellen Gallagher when people only wanted to talk about her race. Another artist I was positive about. Alternately I was irritated when the discussion of Lucian Freud focused only on a traditional feminist reading. One way of seeing it. Not the only way.

painterdog said...

Hey Kelli, you know this person phantomCognition?
He or she seems to know you.
You show with Leo Koenig?

This persons getting to personal for my taste.

Anyway I don't think he,she knows what they are talking about, and on top they are spreading rumors.

I did that a while back on this blog, well they were not rumors it was about some artist with very rich parents.

Phantom are you a trust fund baby?

painterdog said...

That pissed my off as well, as I don't think it does Freud justice to have this narrow focus in looking at his work.

Kelli are you the Kelli W. from LK's gallery?

If you are nice work.

kelli said...

Pdog it pissed me off too. I'm not totally a fan but don't like dogmatic one-sided interpretations of art.
This strange interlude is unfair to Kapp. People mentioned his development. What is the earlier work like?

kelli said...

And that was the second cackling phantom of the opera "goodbye for now". Until when? My nemesis pukes in the punchbowl at my cotillion?

JpegCritic said...

oh shit was that prof mouth as the phantom menace?

teamtruth said...

Kelli says:

"I was literally the only person who had anything nice to say about Francesco Clemente."

closeuup said...

Dont let me piss you guys off. I just call em as I see em.

Your "arguements" didnt change my reaction.

clement said...

this painting seems a little different from his other work on artnet, but still has the Hitchcock angle that most of his work has.

PhantomCognition said...

Teamtruth, you are my hero.

spanky said...

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Painter said...

Hello, I just got home and read this post . I had saved David Kapp images for awhile and was curious what people would have to say about his work. I had meant to post him last spring when his show was up but didn't get around to it. His images remind me a lot of a painting I grew up with by the watercolor artist Dong Kingman. Kingman travel all over the world doing city scapes. I would appricate it if we could talk more about this artist. Thanks.
There are a lot of good shows coming up...

kalm james said...

One art-up-date said there were over 63 openings this Thursday in Chelsea. Back to the grind folks, how many openings will you be able to hit? See ya round the wine tables and beer tubs, reprobates and degenerates welcome.

no-where-man said...

i just read 81, might as well start out 2morrow - gondry sounds somewhat interesting.

kalm james said...

Having watched the work of Kapp for a while, I’d say that one difference in the latter work is the thinned out paint quality which has an affinity to late Diebenkorn. Ironically there might be more layers of paint but as they’re thinner and drier there’s more pentimenti coming through which adds to the “glow” or vibration from underlying colors. Also I think Kapp has focused in on blocks of light vs. dark shadows as his main subject matter, and uses the urban settings as an interesting framework to lay his studies of contrasts within.

kelli said...

There is also a good show up at Sva on Thursday. Maybe if people live uptown they might swing by there on the trip to Chelsea.

zipthwung said...

Well

I mentioned Diebenkorn, thinking of Thiebaud. SOme of us agreed that indeed, the poainting seemed to emphasize a "West Coast" sensibility in style and in tone.

My california dream movie has a soundtrack of proto-"grunge" echoing off the sun dappled walls of my gated bepooled community.

But you might have another fantasy of California - what it may be like - maybe Michael Bolton and a little green convertible MG on highway 1, solar winds through your perm. Or Yoga class at Esalen Institute

I think light is a function of the ocean, because its cooler, it refracts the light differently over there. It could also be the relatively dry air - meaning more diffusion in the light (sea fog).
Maybe its the mountains, too.

My (and some color psychologists no doubt) theory, is that palette choice could be cleverly linked to a sort of brand or totem - possibly an increasingly complex but codeified system of mind controll (language).

The totem pole could just keep getting longer as unto DNA. Or a NOSE. Learn learn learn. Jesus.
What is the California brand, man?

Introverted vs exxxtroverted?

I want to believe the US is divided in half or even thirds, like a brain.

David Kap is not an introverts introverted painter -his shtick might look contemplative to someone but not me. It looks easily adaptable to book covers - meant to be seen in an instant. Impressionism like this is for extroverted thinking. Introverts prefer allegory and more complicated spatial relationships.

Mind movies.
Just a thought.
I got some reading Sirens of Titan by Vonnegut.

SO hes a NYRKR doing California dream on NYC?

Or is he himself just doing his thing?
I smoked some irony so maybe all hes doing is painting colors next to colors.

No its not pastoral enough.
Urban pastoral.

Hitchcockian is closer - although I'd sneer if he was ACTAULLY in a wheelchair because if you are an artist you should learn to walk.

I travel OBE all the time (see Esalen Institute)

Cheese curls are great. MEtalic cheese, corn, salt, crunch. If it made you smarter to eat them I could self smart myself.

SO cheese curls are my suggestion for snacks. Thanks.

zipthwung said...

Giacometti did - surrealist imagination AND existential truth. David Smith came the same route. Some people call that maturation, I call it indoctrination.

Surrealism is the art of the DUMB masses and existentialism is more self conscious and thus managerial (meta-smart).

EXISTENTIAL ART

Although there is no truly self-professed movement calling itself this, existentialism naturally influenced numerous mid-century artists agreeing with existentialism's understanding of existence taking place as an isolated solitary phenomenon in an absurd world but nevertheless affording the freedom for one to define oneself. Simone de Beauvoir said in 1965 that for these artists existentialism seemed to "authorize them to accept their transitory condition without renouncing a certain absolute, to face horror and absurdity while still retaining their human dignity" (qtd. in Dempsey 176). So existentialism refers more to the mood and thought in the art rather than a distinctive and consistent style.

brian edmonds said...

Thiebaud and Chris Brown, which I'm sure have been mentioned before. Just to add to the Dana Schutz tirade above, I like her work for some reason. I am drawn to it like Cecily Brown and Jenny Saville but I dont think she is as good a painter as the two. I saw the painting where the girl is blowing her nose in Chicago and I was not impressed at all. I know she is a very good and competent painter but I really hate the subject matter sometimes. Like the painting on the surgery of Michael Jackson. Someone that has talent should find a better reference for her painting. The painting itself is well done but again, Michael Jackson? And please dont try to derive some deep meaning of it.

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kalm james said...

Surrealism is the art of the DUMB masses and existentialism is more self conscious and thus managerial (meta-smart).

Zipster, come on existentialism was the basis for most of the Ab-Ex stuff and particularly the New York School angst. This horse was ridden to death during the fifties, like popping “bennies” playing bongo drums and growing a goatee. (Like man existentialism is more meta-cliché than meta-smart cool daddy)

chucky said...

God looks down and the machines take over because they are the new god now. that is the true nature of existential thoughts.

closeuup said...

You could go into any city in America and find someone who paints like this. Every one of them is influenced by Thibeaud.

zipthwung said...

KJ - just putting it out there. I wanted to call this painting "dumb" - like you sit in front of it and it is what it is - like a Dana Schutz without the dolls. I dont know anything about existentialism other than reading "No Exit" and pop-Sartre. "Stare into the void and you become it." Ramdom shit you know? No real program. I do know existentialism has been linked to everything from painting to sports drinks.

I dont see this painting as profoundly existential - but I brought up the introvert-extrovert idea because it doesnt do much for me, so I wonder why people paint like this.

Either:

Its the idea of being Thiebaud - the whole lifestyle, the romance, the Walker Percy Novel..

OR:

Its the need to create neat controlled mood-spaces within the chaos of urbanism?

Oriental fetish Zen modernism? White railed houses, lofts, the porche here

Scooby doo wah.

kalm james said...

Zipster, I dig where you’re commin from brother man, like woow.

Whoever brought up Hitchcockian makes an interesting connection but I’d have to say more “Naked City” than “North by North-West”. I do like the kind of overexposed washed out light quality, seems to raise the temperature a bit makes me want to hold my hand up to shield my eyes from the glare, the hot summer days of childhood.

I can dig the Thibeaud reference, loved his stuff till about ten years ago, then he seemed to get a bit corny, fields of flowers rolling rivers instead of steep perspective urban scenes.

closeuup said...

he moved

zipthwung said...

Not far enough.

SisterRye said...

Thiebaud, as far as paint handling along the edges, but the color isn't as juicy, and the perspective not as vertiginous.

Chris Brown, because there are umbrellas and repetition, and an even handedness, and things rushing forward, but also not as good in the palette.

I wish this painting was just the red truck in the upper left, and the faint elbow jutting figure, just below the nose of the truck, the awning and not much else. It does give the cold sinking heart feeling of a traffic jam, so I want to honk or swerve around and cut someone off.

Cooky Blaha said...

beating a dead horse but I believe kelli meant
“David Salle, Cecily Brown, Matthew Barney, Dana Schutz a long line of artists {[THAT]} loser slackers who can't draw without a projector have hated”

its the only way the syntax in the sentence makes sense;so shes defending them against loser slacker haters not equating them
thank you