I dont think real artists paint portraits. Like you are going to capture the soul of the subject. Some give you a stronger feeling but its just an illusion, is always a portrait of yourself. I could say more, you know, by googling what other people have said and then putting it into my own words so it's not plagiarism, per se.
Totems, you can only paint totems. Its because the contemporary artist has reached a level of cool detatchment that allows distance and thus triangulation, in the form of a shadow, telling time, as it were. Were you a bird, you could bathe in the fountain, and thus, all a twitter, engage in idle banter beneath the rapier of the avant guarde. Have you any dueling scars, baron? I have covered my blemishes in oil of olay. Or pearl cream.
For example, you say "good morning!" like some bluejay scolding an errant squirrel, and I climb the tree and poof! there you go in a cloud of feathers - breakfast.
Or if that isnt clear, say you walk into a store of native american folk art, and you spot a row of cleverly painted shamanic drums. Do you pound them like melons to see which has the most medicine? Or do you ask your chaufer to grab the first twenty and load them into the limo while you hoof it next door to the nearest wine bar?
This of course is known as a paradox (see Zeno)- were I in a limo (I havent ever been) I would be both alive AND dead.
zip I don't agree with anything you are saying. But that's ok as you just reinforce my conviction that modernism or post-modernism is just an exuse not to study painting. You just say a lot of theory based BS and go out to lunch and then paint ugly paintings.
yeah, you're right. This painting has an economy of brushwork and simplicity of composition that belies the workings of a fevered imagination and a startling bejeweled intelligence.
A few questions though:
1) Is meg white a good drummer?
2) Ever hear of the band Beat Happening?
3) Almond eyes or epicanthic folds?
4) You vs. Joseph campbell - emile durkheim referees. What is your totem animal?
5) How close are you to the jungian subconscious?
a) very fucking close b) not close at all, but you know someone c) paris Hilton has a lazy eye, and she has like, three facial expressions.
1. Meg White is the perfect drummer for the White Stripes.(capital period)
2. Beat Happenings best was Black Candy. Jamboree was pretty good. Nice and sparse ala Peyton...but her work suggests more Galaxy 500 than BH.
3. Almond
4. totem animal? chupucabra? no wait...a slick ass cheetah with flybacks and cell-phone holster.
5. Jungian subconscious? never heard of her but Paris has 1 facial expression and her lazy eye aint' got shit on Shannon Doherty's---who happens to look a little like young lovely here c/o Peyton
I do however think your just tring to be a provocateur, which is fine, but what your saying about painting is complete crap to me. I don't care about time periods, Rembrandt is still great because he transcends all the BS your talking about.
I tried chewing some kuspit tripe (cow stomach) just now and I cant for the life of me figure out what he's advocating, but his quotes are nice. He seems to think Ann Hamilton is a cynical purveyor of ambiguous entertainment? I don't know. I dont like her work either, partly because I'm not into ravishing spit bubbles, but also, because fiber gives me splinters, and splinters get in my minds eye, needles, lies, camels and so forth.
Or is do you mean I should glue the toothpicks together? Bcause I can do that.
but I gave it away before I could read it. SOme dillrod said they (everyone) had allready read it in the French so I figured I could skip it. I eat dirt for the colon. Its free.
no where like who? unless it's too mean.the whole brushy little portrait of rock star Greenpoint group show genre? I really liked Larry Pittman but not many of his imitators
i have to agree with pdog, what the heck is wrong with portrait painting? Not enough painters can actually paint.. this is a simple, what looks like a turpy washy painting on panel - which reminds me of some of the first student work i ever attempted.. that being said this is more slick than my first ass wipe portraits, and probably looks fresh compared to what seems to be expected in a more contemporary painting.. Nice to see people backing their asses up to the blue balled basics of painting..
Look I don't want to back my ass up to blueballed Painting. I paint with little tiny 000 brushes and make color charts and now Poppy has made me nervous.
i agree that these do not need the volume of a traditional head, also they do not need to say anything about photography... just because you understand how to create a volumetric mass with paint does not mean you know how to make a great painting..
She is painting portraits, so you need something to use as a mile stone.
There is a history here, granted that Freud is not a fair comparison, but I think Saville is or at least you can use them for an example of 2 painters using photos, some of them found, to create their work. They are also around the same age.
Peyton is one of the painters that heralded the so called return to "quality" in painting. The funny thing is that she can not draw i.e. her ability to draw things in vaguely correct porportion is so bad that no amount of stylization can hide it. Look at the hands in her paintings when she does have them not mention the faces. Her color is somewhat engaging because of the richness but basically she is just crossing breeding the palette of Schele and Hockney. Is Peyton's work evidence of how much the halmarks of quality in painting have been diminshed by years of paining is dead silliness.
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I know there is a Cinderella story in here somewhere. Wicked stepmum?
Because it looks like she's getting pulled off the page by her ear.
THe greeks painteyes on their boats so they can see.
http://members.aol.com/nonverbal3/headside.htm
I dont think real artists paint portraits. Like you are going to capture the soul of the subject. Some give you a stronger feeling but its just an illusion, is always a portrait of yourself.
I could say more, you know, by googling what other people have said and then putting it into my own words so it's not plagiarism, per se.
Elizabeth Peyton, I'm putting you on notice.
lazy eye
WTF! real artist don't paint portraits????
Well I guess Titian, Rembrandt, Frans Hals, Holbein, Degas, Cezanne, Van Gogh, George Bellows, Robert Henri to name a few are not real artist.
that said Peyton is a hack, and I can't figure it out.
contemporary artists dont paint portraits. Atavistic anachronists, do.
Painter you are being mean. Is this outrageously expensive at auction week? And does somebody owe Karen Kilimnik royalties?
Elizabeth Peyton,
zipthwung has put you on notice.
I, however would like to put you on my lap.
I mean really. I love you...nay I fucking love you and I've never even seen you. Karen who?
If yr 1/2 as hot as your paintings I would drink your bathwater. Of course if your 1/2 the size of your paintings this all kinda weird.
so whaddya say? I'm a painter, you're a painter...
Totems, you can only paint totems. Its because the contemporary artist has reached a level of cool detatchment that allows distance and thus triangulation, in the form of a shadow, telling time, as it were. Were you a bird, you could bathe in the fountain, and thus, all a twitter, engage in idle banter beneath the rapier of the avant guarde.
Have you any dueling scars, baron? I have covered my blemishes in oil of olay. Or pearl cream.
For example, you say "good morning!" like some bluejay scolding an errant squirrel, and I climb the tree and poof! there you go in a cloud of feathers - breakfast.
Or if that isnt clear, say you walk into a store of native american folk art, and you spot a row of cleverly painted shamanic drums. Do you pound them like melons to see which has the most medicine? Or do you ask your chaufer to grab the first twenty and load them into the limo while you hoof it next door to the nearest wine bar?
This of course is known as a paradox (see Zeno)- were I in a limo (I havent ever been) I would be both alive AND dead.
zip I don't agree with anything you are saying. But that's ok as you just reinforce my conviction that modernism or post-modernism is just an exuse not to study painting. You just say a lot of theory based BS and go out to lunch and then paint ugly paintings.
yeah, you're right. This painting has an economy of brushwork and simplicity of composition that belies the workings of a fevered imagination and a startling bejeweled intelligence.
A few questions though:
1) Is meg white a good drummer?
2) Ever hear of the band Beat Happening?
3) Almond eyes or epicanthic folds?
4) You vs. Joseph campbell - emile durkheim referees. What is your totem animal?
5) How close are you to the jungian subconscious?
a) very fucking close
b) not close at all, but you know someone
c) paris Hilton has a lazy eye, and she has like, three facial expressions.
behold!
1. Meg White is the perfect drummer for the White Stripes.(capital period)
2. Beat Happenings best was Black Candy. Jamboree was pretty good. Nice and sparse ala Peyton...but her work suggests more Galaxy 500 than BH.
3. Almond
4. totem animal? chupucabra? no wait...a slick ass cheetah with flybacks and cell-phone holster.
5. Jungian subconscious? never heard of her but Paris has 1 facial expression and her lazy eye aint' got shit on Shannon Doherty's---who happens to look a little like young lovely here c/o Peyton
I said I don't like Paytons work period.
I do however think your just tring to be a provocateur, which is fine, but what your saying about painting is complete crap to me. I don't care about time periods, Rembrandt is still great because he transcends all the BS your talking about.
Thanks for the contemporary thoughts, Clem
Talk about a thing in itself....
You are your own dialogue
now painterdog, either you play nicely with zip,
or it'll be painting-time.
good within what seems to be an extremely narrow and limited range...
it is laughable to compare the very different things saltz has said about dumas and peyton.
I tried chewing some kuspit tripe (cow stomach) just now and I cant for the life of me figure out what he's advocating, but his quotes are nice. He seems to think Ann Hamilton is a cynical purveyor of ambiguous entertainment? I don't know. I dont like her work either, partly because I'm not into ravishing spit bubbles, but also, because fiber gives me splinters, and splinters get in my minds eye, needles, lies, camels and so forth.
Or is do you mean I should glue the toothpicks together? Bcause I can do that.
i had this
but I gave it away before I could read it. SOme dillrod said they (everyone) had allready read it in the French so I figured I could skip it. I eat dirt for the colon. Its free.
love peyton ! Hate what she opened the floodgates for.
Whats my issue? I am so very blind.
i think hes pulling your leg so to speak.
he's being ironic.
I saw somethink like this at zwirner, the other day
Rehashola. So uh, whats the point again? R and R?
Should I laugh or cry?
i got a 2
oooh how duchampian.
no where like who? unless it's too mean.the whole brushy little portrait of rock star Greenpoint group show genre? I really liked Larry Pittman but not many of his imitators
elizabeth payton's pics don't take my breath away......
Zip laugh and cry....keep em coming!
i have to agree with pdog,
what the heck is wrong with portrait painting? Not enough painters can actually paint.. this is a simple, what looks like a turpy washy painting on panel - which reminds me of some of the first student work i ever attempted.. that being said this is more slick than my first ass wipe portraits, and probably looks fresh compared to what seems to be expected in a more contemporary painting.. Nice to see people backing their asses up to the blue balled basics of painting..
Poppy that was dirty. I was just painting and now I feel I should close my drapes. Thanks a lot.
not dirty enough, - kelli. yes, i think its to mean to name names... but. that is exactly what i am talking about.
Look I don't want to back my ass up to blueballed Painting. I paint with little tiny 000 brushes and make color charts and now Poppy has made me nervous.
i would love to watch you paint with your little brushes - now i'm being dirty...
Did we do Elizabeth Peyton a disservice by not talking about this painting? I feel like she is so familiar it is hard to see it fresh.
the painting is flat as a pancake.
all her work is.
its done frmo photos that she might take and that she gets from magazines.
So she does not stand a chance in my opinion of ever painting a good head.
Having said that I don't think that is what she is wanting to do. Paint a good head in the traditional sense.
I find her work pretty boring.
I like Jenny Saville better, she works from photographic sources as well but the paintings work for me.
Then there is Lucian Freud...
i agree that these do not need the volume of a traditional head, also they do not need to say anything about photography...
just because you understand how to create a volumetric mass with paint does
not mean you know how to make a great painting..
nowhere name some names please
its not about styles. its about skill, about using it to make a godd painting.
I'm sure shes a nice person, that's not what I'm talking about.
If your good at making a painting, then it does not matter what medium you use.
As for the hack comment, I'm no hack.
Intention and weight... Peyton pics seem so light, thin.... unsatisfying...
apples and hamhocks?
She is painting portraits, so you need something to use as a mile stone.
There is a history here, granted that Freud is not a fair comparison, but I think Saville is or at least you can use them for an example of 2 painters using photos, some of them found, to create their work. They are also around the same age.
I'll buy her for a dollar.
As long as they take credit.
And that Greenspan's alive and well.
I'd buy this one cuz it looks
better than meg. It'd be better
with a wifebeater, though.
So... If I buy it,
what's my net worth again?
I wish I had an alice neel. damn!
I never liked w. blake, but I'd buy him.
not for his thin painting, but for his
thick aura. So citigroup tells me.
Wade.. not "thin" as in needing more paint/color. Rather "thin" as in not enough to keep me interested for very long.
Intention as in that I can see it going somewhere...
Kalm James, I'd be really interested to read what your son writes, truely!
auerbach-peyton-should not be in the same sentence!
Peyton is one of the painters that heralded the so called return to "quality" in painting. The funny thing is that she can not draw i.e. her ability to draw things in vaguely correct porportion is so bad that no amount of stylization can hide it. Look at the hands in her paintings when she does have them not mention the faces. Her color is somewhat engaging because of the richness but basically she is just crossing breeding the palette of Schele and Hockney. Is Peyton's work evidence of how much the halmarks of quality in painting have been diminshed by years of paining is dead silliness.
real artists don't tell other artists what real artists do.
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