i've always been kind of captivated by her work in person. it is very well-crafted and the images and patterns are complex and weird. i wouldn't write it off as anything trendy without considering that most of the less successful stuff we've seen copied rojas, not the other way around.
We don't see much Barry McGee here - except maybe formally, but only a little.
CR offers more content and narrative than BMG's boring graffiti and geometric patterns. She seems closer to Jules DB or Chris Johansen and the psych-folk thing.
Re the verbose conversation in the previous thread -
"so many 'artists' cannot think for themselves and that is sad."
Sanctimony aside, I don't think its for lack of trying that most artists can't "think for themselves"
You could make your own clouds -been done? Wave tanks for new waves. Analog synthesizers for analogies. Hit your head against a wall. Paint what you see.
This painting sucks. It references modern art and folk art at the same time which woopdeeshit leaves me cold.
My favorite story in the post today - this kid gets hit by a bottle. stops and asks the gang who threw it, dude comes out of the crowd and says "I did," then knifes him.
Moral of that story is if you get hit by a bottle and you want to do something about it, go home and smoke a bowl.
I think Claire has really developed her drawing skill over the last few years. Her work always reminded me of Indian painting or Persian miniatures. The refined and precise style and fairy tale-ish stories. They are fun.
Barry is a street artist. Skateboards and graffitti. Go look over at wooster collective site. Everything there is Barrys world east coast version. Check out fecalface.com. Thats the w. coast outpost.
Claire is something else-mystical, beautiful-yea more like Chris J. --hippy dippy. O sorry psych folk.
One thing about SF artists--they are either skateboarders or buddhists.
It is interesting to wonder how artist couples influence each other. Frida & Diego (no wear man?) Charles & Ray Eames, Tony Oursler & Jacqueline Humphries. And all those other much more sophisticated examples you can think of.
"I think Claire has really developed her drawing skill over the last few years"
That's cool in a "growing up in public" kind of way. My eye-pencil has gone down hill. But I did just use the echo filter - pretty cool - makes those seventies tracer effects.
Im more interested in artists who do much with little than little with much - though much with much is best - havent seen a lot of that. Takes time or something, like good BBQ.
Reminds me of an acid trip I once took. Went to Blimpies to meet my friends. Italian tile floor was moving. Within every tile, the color was swimming like a river. I thought--I know this isnt really happening, but I also know I'm really seeing it. I thought--I'm experiencing something visually that I already knew was possible. Now I really know it. Like art?
some writer recently thought it clever to try to discuss BMG in Wagnerian terms. Don't remember where I read it... but that kind of hyperbole made me want to smoke a bowl.
i thought rojas worked reminded me of someone, barry mcgee could it be? NO! a rad skateboard artist from canada that was in school 3 years ago.. Why is this stuff so easy to rip off? are you a street artist or have auto street cred when you do? Only if nobody knows where your source material is coming from, and you have really long bangs.
isolating a figure in a brightly colored backround...having the figure made of delicately painted patterns and framing it with a patterned arch sounds like a pretty good recipe... somehow it's not working for me...all the pieces in the figure are too similarily sized, that red U-shape at one o'clock competes too strongly color wise with the nicely painted head/ shawl and makes a transition downward and to the right frustrating. The work is a bit frustrating period...I sense a willfulness to be a bit clunky thus the frustrating transitions...I think it needs too be either clunkier or more elegant...the state it's in now is not an interesting dialogue of two equal peers, Elegance and Clunky...some aspect of it needs to take more of a lead or the main crux of the artworks dialogue made more explicit. It's set up as an alterpiece..a renaissance composition, folk collage, persian miniature...I think Laura Owens' work below handles a similar world with the lightness it's due.
well your all going to LOVE the show at the ditch right now -After the Reality - heard one thing and that was sell,sell sold, after party - nothing to write home about but we prob. came and left to early.
i will look up the names but the video in the front room on the flat screen was hot and also large at the after gig with DJ：Towa Tei playing, and in the back room there is one of Ronald Mc and the other of Col Sanders and they are force feeding each other eachother fast food is fetishy political pop and fun
other good group shows Barbra Gladstone, Dereconstruction (bit pedantic but worth the trip) & Metro Pictures... a billion opened that night more will come to me.
"Barry Mcgee? This guy is one of the best draughtsman of our time."
Hyberbole will get you nowhere dude. This is paintersnyc. Fact is this painting looks a lot like a lot of other stuff, so what differentiates it? I dunno, there is the idea that formal compostiion matters, and I don't see this as a standout. As stated above it's clunky - but not that clunky. The narrative is obtuse, and if you like wolves, patterns and folk tales I guess its ok - but arent there better examples of such? Miro? Kandinski? Max ernst? I dunno, its all good. Name some chicks.
artsok, i've already seen undergrad kids take this painting and push it far beyond what is shown here by Rojas. They did that in 2 years. Knocking this work is not jealousy, by ignorant undergrads, its just knocking the work. And Ignorance, Ahh can be far more refreshing than the crusty tree of knowledge. Everybody take some blocks and patterns and play with it for a while, maybe even overlap one with the other, maybe even throw in another style of painting in or around it somehow... give me a break about the jealousy stuff, anyone can be an artist and anyone can do this.
"Look at your on work and push that instead of shooting down accomplishments you may never reach. "
I'm allread there, brah! - just looking for where to go, but Ad fucking Reinhardt says there's nowhere to go, and so Im back where I started, as the Kinks said, but not in a Hegelian way, more in a "you cant go home again" Tom Wolfe kind of way. Bauhhaus - in the middle of our street.
Crossing the river, twice, you know.
But I reference the some older branded cannon type painters for several reasons - one is I'm lazy, but another is their near universal awesomeness - Im not trying to exclude anyone - just trying to make a point, like saying ham instead of ponchetta - I use the main deities, not the mortals dig?
Chagall used folk, so did matisse - who used pattern, and better. I dont know why this painter isnt following matisse because as it stands shes got nothing on him. If PUNK is the esthetic where is the op art? And if FOLK=PUNK then we have a problem, because I am into plugged in amps, a la Bob.
I like TinTin Comics better than this painting, even though they fail to overtly critique colonialism. Fantagraphics has some nice titles - but those san francisco(TM) people seem to have hobo folk art wrapped up. Why is that? Beautifull Losers, indeed.
So befroe you get all agro and tell me im missing some gnarley paint chops, look out of your own blue room and see the shape of the wave.
no i dont take bloggers very seriously either but you seemed offended earlier, or thought most of us senseless, oblivious, undergrads.... taken too far? this? didn't realize it was a schooled concept already...part of a lifestyle?, fine and dandy- but we won't say whose... easy trend, ill buy that too!
But hype aside the shape of the influence of these kids is highly debateable - why I brought up Fantagraphics. WHo influenced Dan Clowes, for example? Because his line looks like Barry McGees, dont it?
In conclusion this whole chain of influence thing tires me out.
I know I made a conscious decision not to paint like a cartoonist, just like these san fran dudes made a conscious decision to do the opposite.
me too. Last thing--I like the tear-shaped faces that both she and barry are doing (see the one in the laughing figure's hand). That's an icon that fits into my lifestyle.
zipdung said: "Barry Mcgee? This guy is one of the best draughtsman of our time."
Hyberbole will get you nowhere dude. This is paintersnyc.
Haha, hyperbole perhaps but grounded in reality. In the words of Lawrence Rinder in regards to a grouping of drawings by Barry Mcgee that were recently acquired by the Berkely Museum, they're "incredible for the fineness of their creation, you just can't believe they were done with pen and ink."
Zipdung said: But hype aside the shape of the influence of these kids is highly debateable Uh, yeah, very debateable huh? Museum exhibitions on almost every continent, acquisitions left and right, that's what these 'kids' have been up to. So what has zipthung been up to? What blogs has he infected now that he destroyed pntrsnyc?
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tres Heinz Edelmann
ahh yes. The mcGeeification of art.
The missionification of the gentified.
Over it. It's a brand now.
but can u draw half as good as either one, peggy?
Mission style seems to be in diaspora--portland, nyc, all the hinterlands. J de balincourt picked it up an ran wit it.
It's a beautiful life, loser.
no but I can pack a bowl just as good.
What do you mean Mission style?
Sorry for my ignorance, but is this not a style of furniture?
I know Balincourts work there does seem do a lot this kind of work out there.
Does nothing for me.
i've always been kind of captivated by her work in person. it is very well-crafted and the images and patterns are complex and weird. i wouldn't write it off as anything trendy without considering that most of the less successful stuff we've seen copied rojas, not the other way around.
We don't see much Barry McGee here - except maybe formally, but only a little.
CR offers more content and narrative than BMG's boring graffiti and geometric patterns. She seems closer to Jules DB or Chris Johansen and the psych-folk thing.
yeah, i agree. there's a real love of objectness here too. they're almost sculptures.
well, we must remember the late queen of this genre, the absolutely incredible margaret kilgallen.
Re the verbose conversation in the previous thread -
"so many 'artists' cannot think for themselves and that is sad."
Sanctimony aside, I don't think its for lack of trying that most artists can't "think for themselves"
You could make your own clouds -been done? Wave tanks for new waves. Analog synthesizers for analogies. Hit your head against a wall. Paint what you see.
This painting sucks. It references modern art and folk art at the same time which woopdeeshit leaves me cold.
My favorite story in the post today - this kid gets hit by a bottle. stops and asks the gang who threw it, dude comes out of the crowd and says "I did," then knifes him.
Moral of that story is if you get hit by a bottle and you want to do something about it, go home and smoke a bowl.
a gallery full of upside down vans and animatronics tagging is not boring, somthin bout the Mexican muralists -no?
We didn't catch that reference, no-where-man, but we are open to your explanation~
Except for the first artist.
http://www.artbusiness.com/1open/061606.html
I think Claire has really developed her drawing skill over the last few years. Her work always reminded me of Indian painting or Persian miniatures. The refined and precise style and fairy tale-ish stories. They are fun.
Barry is a street artist. Skateboards and graffitti. Go look over at wooster collective site. Everything there is Barrys world east coast version. Check out fecalface.com. Thats the w. coast outpost.
Claire is something else-mystical, beautiful-yea more like Chris J. --hippy dippy. O sorry psych folk.
One thing about SF artists--they are either skateboarders or buddhists.
It is interesting to wonder how artist couples influence each other. Frida & Diego (no wear man?) Charles & Ray Eames, Tony Oursler & Jacqueline Humphries. And all those other much more sophisticated examples you can think of.
"I think Claire has really developed her drawing skill over the last few years"
That's cool in a "growing up in public" kind of way. My eye-pencil has gone down hill. But I did just use the echo filter - pretty cool - makes those seventies tracer effects.
RAD!
Im more interested in artists who do much with little than little with much - though much with much is best - havent seen a lot of that. Takes time or something, like good BBQ.
it was hot if i can dig out the tape i will put it on you tube
Barry McGee
Clare Rojas as Peggy Honeywell, Opening Night, Barry McGee, One More Thing, Deitch Projects, 18 Wooster St., May 7, 2005, Photo Credit: Hikari Yokoyama
in art and life, life usually wins
please someone explain to me why anybody over twenty would think an animatronic vegan graff writer is cool.........................
that was epic, z.
Reminds me of an acid trip I once took. Went to Blimpies to meet my friends. Italian tile floor was moving. Within every tile, the color was swimming like a river. I thought--I know this isnt really happening, but I also know I'm really seeing it. I thought--I'm experiencing something visually that I already knew was possible. Now I really know it. Like art?
anybody saw any good group shows to recommend?
i cant remember where the show rob pruitt curated is.....
some writer recently thought it clever to
try to discuss BMG in Wagnerian terms.
Don't remember where I read it... but that
kind of hyperbole made me want to smoke
a bowl.
1952, Dog!
RAD!
not art! Science!
Pack a bowl bro!
This one's for Deitch show me the money!
watch this then look at your hand
Fresh!
naughty by nurture
F to the R to the O to the N to the T
i thought rojas worked reminded me of someone, barry mcgee could it be?
NO! a rad skateboard artist from canada that was in school 3 years ago..
Why is this stuff so easy to rip off?
are you a street artist or have auto street cred when you do? Only if nobody knows where your source material is coming from, and you have really long bangs.
Theres something very menstral about this painting.
Cooky, we really dug the group show at James Cohan. Rob Pruitt's painting, "Cocaine," is also in a group show at Paul Kasmin.
Zip, thanks for the optill. Worth the ensuing headache.
isolating a figure in a brightly colored backround...having the figure made of delicately painted patterns and framing it with a patterned arch sounds like a pretty good recipe... somehow it's not working for me...all the pieces in the figure are too similarily sized, that red U-shape at one o'clock competes too strongly color wise with the nicely painted head/ shawl and makes a transition downward and to the right frustrating. The work is a bit frustrating period...I sense a willfulness to be a bit clunky thus the frustrating transitions...I think it needs too be either clunkier or more elegant...the state it's in now is not an interesting dialogue of two equal peers, Elegance and Clunky...some aspect of it needs to take more of a lead or the main crux of the artworks dialogue made more explicit. It's set up as an alterpiece..a renaissance composition, folk collage, persian miniature...I think Laura Owens' work below handles a similar world with the lightness it's due.
CHICKEN NOODLE SOUP WITH A SODA ON THE SIDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well your all going to LOVE the show at the ditch right now -After the Reality
- heard one thing and that was sell,sell sold, after party - nothing to write home about but we prob. came and left to early.
how about the video? i was kinda into it and it went well with the after party.
yeah the video looked better but the crowd in that room was too intense..
@trip.. not the kasmin one, I think there's another
i will look up the names but the video in the front room on the flat screen was hot and also large at the after gig with DJ：Towa Tei playing, and in the back room there is one of Ronald Mc and the other of Col Sanders and they are force feeding each other eachother fast food is fetishy political pop and fun
other good group shows Barbra Gladstone, Dereconstruction (bit pedantic but worth the trip) & Metro Pictures... a billion opened that night more will come to me.
McDealio
awesome!
"Barry Mcgee? This guy is one of the best draughtsman of our time."
Hyberbole will get you nowhere dude. This is paintersnyc. Fact is this painting looks a lot like a lot of other stuff, so what differentiates it? I dunno, there is the idea that formal compostiion matters, and I don't see this as a standout. As stated above it's clunky - but not that clunky. The narrative is obtuse, and if you like wolves, patterns and folk tales I guess its ok - but arent there better examples of such? Miro? Kandinski? Max ernst? I dunno, its all good. Name some chicks.
This is poetry--not narrative.
paintersnyc indeed - huge audience...as it should be.
In conclusion: ladle rat rotten hut.
Wheres the beef?
I'm tired of when you got tired of something.
What do you love, what do you like, why?
Something Earnst-y at CClark? What might that be?
artsok, i've already seen undergrad kids take this painting and push it far beyond what is shown here by Rojas. They did that in 2 years. Knocking this work is not jealousy, by ignorant undergrads, its just knocking the work. And Ignorance, Ahh can be far more refreshing than the crusty tree of knowledge. Everybody take some blocks and patterns and play with it for a while, maybe even overlap one with the other, maybe even throw in another style of painting in or around it somehow... give me a break about the jealousy stuff, anyone can be an artist and anyone can do this.
these are not "studio artists" copying out of text books, it is expressive part of a lifestyle.
"Look at your on work and push that instead of shooting down accomplishments you may never reach. "
I'm allread there, brah! - just looking for where to go, but Ad fucking Reinhardt says there's nowhere to go, and so Im back where I started, as the Kinks said, but not in a Hegelian way, more in a "you cant go home again" Tom Wolfe kind of way. Bauhhaus - in the middle of our street.
Crossing the river, twice, you know.
But I reference the some older branded cannon type painters for several reasons - one is I'm lazy, but another is their near universal awesomeness - Im not trying to exclude anyone - just trying to make a point, like saying ham instead of ponchetta - I use the main deities, not the mortals dig?
Chagall used folk, so did matisse - who used pattern, and better. I dont know why this painter isnt following matisse because as it stands shes got nothing on him. If PUNK is the esthetic where is the op art? And if FOLK=PUNK then we have a problem, because I am into plugged in amps, a la Bob.
I like TinTin Comics better than this painting, even though they fail to overtly critique colonialism. Fantagraphics has some nice titles - but those san francisco(TM) people seem to have hobo folk art wrapped up. Why is that? Beautifull Losers, indeed.
So befroe you get all agro and tell me im missing some gnarley paint chops, look out of your own blue room and see the shape of the wave.
New York uber alles!
no i dont take bloggers very seriously either
but you seemed offended earlier, or thought most of us senseless, oblivious, undergrads.... taken too far? this? didn't realize it was a schooled concept already...part of a lifestyle?, fine and dandy- but we won't say whose... easy trend, ill buy that too!
painting is suppose to be pretty
said and
done
This painting looks pretty studio art to me - not garage or punk.
What isnt a lifestyle?
forgot about this
Optastic!
But hype aside the shape of the influence of these kids is highly debateable - why I brought up Fantagraphics. WHo influenced Dan Clowes, for example? Because his line looks like Barry McGees, dont it?
In conclusion this whole chain of influence thing tires me out.
I know I made a conscious decision not to paint like a cartoonist, just like these san fran dudes made a conscious decision to do the opposite.
I moved to NY.
HA! Funny Dizcharge. At least Debbie aint no Buddhist.
You should go to the art murmur tonight. Mite see something u like.
me too. Last thing--I like the tear-shaped faces that both she and barry are doing (see the one in the laughing figure's hand). That's an icon that fits into my lifestyle.
zipdung said: "Barry Mcgee? This guy is one of the best draughtsman of our time."
Hyberbole will get you nowhere dude. This is paintersnyc.
Haha, hyperbole perhaps but grounded in reality. In the words of Lawrence Rinder in regards to a grouping of drawings by Barry Mcgee that were recently acquired by the Berkely Museum, they're "incredible for the fineness of their creation, you just can't believe they were done with pen and ink."
Zipdung said: But hype aside the shape of the influence of these kids is highly debateable
Uh, yeah, very debateable huh? Museum exhibitions on almost every continent, acquisitions left and right, that's what these 'kids' have been up to. So what has zipthung been up to? What blogs has he infected now that he destroyed pntrsnyc?
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