In honor of Andy--I'll be wearing my best shoes today. They are red pointy Giraudon's that I got for $25 and they are sweet. John Giorno said Andy had a foot fetish and liked to lick his shoes and vamp his toes.
Leave it to PBS to make Andy boring. I gave up after an hour of bad camera work over pictures from the family album. Dave Hickey came off like a dick-Wayne K. seems very pleased with himself for no good reason. Billy Name was great!
Didn't expect to get bored with Andy, but about and hour and 15 minutes into it, a friend called...and woke me up. Probably won't watch tonight. I've seen enough of Studio 54.
As to THIS painting: kind of like the Warhol documentary. Too, too much.
Billy Name said Warhol "threw lightning bolts" which is a pretty cool thing to be able to do, because you can cause shipwrecks and decenter people's auras.
The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony.--Susan Sontag, "Notes on Camp," 1964 (1)
Fuck that mythopoesis-shit, I say. I invented irony, immanence, transcendence, and the french cruller.
There was some earnest young academic type - the kind you like to blow pot smoke in their face and throw their art in theory book out the window John Belushi style(my pet theory chick is chained to a live jaguar).
But Dianne von Furstenburg is the executive producer of the Warhol dealio. Get your Warhol cell phone NOW. Thats why PBS is so great. Monsanto's programming is pretty good, too.
Joe Coleman WISHES he was as scary as Dianne and/or Monsanto.
More saddened by the documentary than anything else. If anyone was supposed to be fucked by the world it was him but then he wasn't. It's the underlying sadness that made his work so good- it's hard to think of anything except Rosenquist's mushroom clouds that comes close. You know the quote "reasonable people adapt to the world, unreasonable people expect the world to adapt to them, therefore all progress is made by unreasonable people". This painting is unreasonabe too though in a different way. I don't think the East Village artists look dated. Martin Wong is my favorite.
Love the Joe Coleman-circus poster/illuminated manuscript
i-ll give u seamus heany (in honor of hugo chavez): Human beings suffer, they torture one another, they get hurt and get hard. No poem or play or song can fully right a wrong inflicted and endured.
The innocent in gaols beat on their bars together. A hunger-striker's father stands in the graveyard dumb. The police widow in veils faints at the funeral home
History says, Don't hope on this side of the grave. But then, once in a lifetime the longed for tidal wave of justice can rise up, and hope and history rhyme.
So hope for a great sea-change on the far side of revenge. Believe that a further shore is reachable from here. Believe in miracles and cures and healing wells.
Call the miracle self-healing: The utter self-revealing double-take of feeling. if there's fire on the mountain or lightning and storm and a god speaks from the sky.
That means someone is hearing the outcry and the birth-cry of new life at its term.
humm... to each his own i guess, i saw all 4 hours back to back at film forum and didn't loose intrest - maybe the big screen added. if i recall studio 64 was left out of the whole thing. seems like there were alot of very between the lines black humor moments - maybe i have just spent way to much time with his work, which seemed to be about everyone and everything but him and at the same time - him. I really do see him as the greatest Artist of all time.
Why does everyone think graphic art is anti-art. Durer was primarily a graphic artist, very ambitious and practical dealing with vernacular images of his time and mass producing them. I see similarities to Warhol.There is something touching about this ferociously talented, original person who cast off the reality that he wasn't acceptable. The whole outsider concept ( Coleman) seems dubious. Illustration is such an old tradition. When did it become bastard? Maybe bastard is good.
Well we could talk about the Japanese biopic of Andy Goldsworthy - he doesnt throw lightning bolts, but at least hes not fashion. Fashion is something to be endured, like bellbottoms and bike chains. We are all victims of fashion, and yet so very few wake up to it and kill the beast.
The Warhol biopic sucks on many levels - one of which unarguably is the derth of any new insight. Essentially its a vanity project, like, for example, the biopic of the less accomplished Damien Loeb "Damian Loeb: In the Public Domain" who appropriates stuff -.
We all appropriate stuff, but WHAT you appropriate makes you the KIND of artist you are. Joe Coleman APPROPRIATES apocalyptic imagery. How much of what he paints is his own invention?
Philip K Dick is more depressing than warhol - read the biography.
KJ I wouldn't wish such a job upon you. Why would anyone wish to be such a blatant servant to commerce? Sure fine art as it's commercial underpinnings, but it is such that the underpinnings are not so directly wired to the work -- enjoying the status as thing-in-itself. And while the commercial artist does enjoy certain freedoms -- freedom from the client and the widget is generally not among them.
I'll keep you in mind when I finally make my escape, KJ. With a warning that I once felt the same. Typography & interactivity being the gateway drugs toward the hellish nightmare of widgetdom. But having fun with wax and the copycamera is no more, unfortunately... more like widgetwankers and kernel panics.
a friend of mine works for an agency that considers ipods as supplies -- gives them away to employees once they're done with their branding presentation, cause their clients cant take gifts. ya know like when they used to give away pens. ha!
but still, wouldn't want to work with 'em. My friend doesn't have time to paint anymore. I gave up painting, once to become an art director. no shit. I had faith in the then-called 'new-media' to inspire me with a whole new vernacular. Then, innovators like david carson and Tomato (uk) and a whole slew of people coming out of minneapolis yanked my attention away from painting and onto graphic design, new media, et al.
But technology becomes so outdated and inaccesible so fast-- you create something, and it's disposed of the second it leaves you. Remember CD-ROMs? HA! Disposable. Like ipods. Design as well because it is fashion-driven. 'Don't like brown -- well you better like brown, cuz pantone tells you brown is next year's color... blah blah'.
Life-cycle-based. Like technology. Like technology based art. This is why I distrust tony oursler. Though funny that i still see value in paig's contirbution to art. But now, those paig TV's seem campy. Like typography. Fashion, man. Remember the grunge fonts? Hah.
When I left painting, I thought: Cultural production is happening everywhere but art -- Art, the little girl in the corner of the rooom who giggles snydely, self-satisfied, while the rest of the world passes her by. That wasn't my idea by the way, but it was how i felt at the time. I no longer feel that. Painting speaks-- though on a much quieter level. Painting meets the consumer halfway. It doesn't introduce itself to you as quickly and obnoxiously as say a magazine spread or a spot. Those forms have a built-in disposability, similar to product-life-cycles.
Not that i care much for the value of indisposability. It was not permanance that led me back to painting. It was the quietude.
Interview was wonderful for andy, as was working in tv for paik, Wall Street for Koons, Billboads for Rosenquist, store windows for johns - rauschenberg
um.btw, whomever is sending me the Warhol e-mail hate mail, (i can only assume it is over something i posted here)
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his paintings are really sweet. and so three dimensional! you just want to pop that little jesus off the frame and put him in your mouth.
In honor of Andy--I'll be wearing my best shoes today. They are red pointy Giraudon's that I got for $25 and they are sweet. John Giorno said Andy had a foot fetish and liked to lick his shoes and vamp his toes.
Leave it to PBS to make Andy boring. I gave up after an hour of bad camera work over pictures from the family album. Dave Hickey came off like a dick-Wayne K. seems very pleased with himself for no good reason. Billy Name was great!
Didn't expect to get bored with Andy, but about and hour and 15 minutes into it, a friend called...and woke me up. Probably won't watch tonight. I've seen enough of Studio 54.
As to THIS painting: kind of like the Warhol documentary. Too, too much.
sort of unfunny crumb-y-from a dated world of peirced,hairy whos-labored
Billy Name said Warhol "threw lightning bolts" which is a pretty cool thing to be able to do, because you can cause shipwrecks and decenter people's auras.
The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony.--Susan Sontag, "Notes on Camp," 1964 (1)
Fuck that mythopoesis-shit, I say. I invented irony, immanence, transcendence, and the french cruller.
There was some earnest young academic type - the kind you like to blow pot smoke in their face and throw their art in theory book out the window John Belushi style(my pet theory chick is chained to a live jaguar).
But Dianne von Furstenburg is the executive producer of the Warhol dealio. Get your Warhol cell phone NOW.
Thats why PBS is so great. Monsanto's programming is pretty good, too.
Joe Coleman WISHES he was as scary as Dianne and/or Monsanto.
Sacco and Vanzetti!
Ben Shahn is due for a NEW YORK retrospective, I'd say.
Oh yeah, its hard being a VISIONARY Juxtapoze artist in a NON VISIONARY art world. And Andy Warhol mad e his own lightning.
More saddened by the documentary than anything else. If anyone was supposed to be fucked by the world it was him but then he wasn't. It's the underlying sadness that made his work so good- it's hard to think of anything except Rosenquist's mushroom clouds that comes close. You know the quote "reasonable people adapt to the world, unreasonable people expect the world to adapt to them, therefore all progress is made by unreasonable people".
This painting is unreasonabe too though in a different way. I don't think the East Village artists look dated. Martin Wong is my favorite.
Love the Joe Coleman-circus poster/illuminated manuscript
i-ll give u seamus heany (in honor of hugo chavez):
Human beings suffer,
they torture one another,
they get hurt and get hard.
No poem or play or song
can fully right a wrong
inflicted and endured.
The innocent in gaols
beat on their bars together.
A hunger-striker's father
stands in the graveyard dumb.
The police widow in veils
faints at the funeral home
History says, Don't hope
on this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
the longed for tidal wave
of justice can rise up,
and hope and history rhyme.
So hope for a great sea-change
on the far side of revenge.
Believe that a further shore
is reachable from here.
Believe in miracles
and cures and healing wells.
Call the miracle self-healing:
The utter self-revealing
double-take of feeling.
if there's fire on the mountain
or lightning and storm
and a god speaks from the sky.
That means someone is hearing
the outcry and the birth-cry
of new life at its term.
humm... to each his own i guess, i saw all 4 hours back to back at film forum and didn't loose intrest - maybe the big screen added. if i recall studio 64 was left out of the whole thing. seems like there were alot of very between the lines black humor moments - maybe i have just spent way to much time with his work, which seemed to be about everyone and everything but him and at the same time - him. I really do see him as the greatest Artist of all time.
if your interested at all in his "story" read:
The Life and Death of Andy Warhol
by Victor Bockris (Author)
notice most people are talking about this doc. and notthe last few paintings - so something must have been there.
wheel in the sky keeps on turning? don't know style pisses me off and i am not sure y.
Why does everyone think graphic art is anti-art. Durer was primarily a graphic artist, very ambitious and practical dealing with vernacular images of his time and mass producing them. I see similarities to Warhol.There is something touching about this ferociously talented, original person who cast off the reality that he wasn't acceptable. The whole outsider concept ( Coleman) seems dubious. Illustration is such an old tradition. When did it become bastard? Maybe bastard is good.
Stuart Little has great illustrations ,by Garth Williams-it is odd to see syringes rendered cutely
Well we could talk about the Japanese biopic of Andy Goldsworthy - he doesnt throw lightning bolts, but at least hes not fashion. Fashion is something to be endured, like bellbottoms and bike chains. We are all victims of fashion, and yet so very few wake up to it and kill the beast.
The Warhol biopic sucks on many levels - one of which unarguably is the derth of any new insight. Essentially its a vanity project, like, for example, the biopic of the less accomplished Damien Loeb "Damian Loeb: In the Public Domain" who appropriates stuff -.
We all appropriate stuff, but WHAT you appropriate makes you the KIND of artist you are. Joe Coleman APPROPRIATES apocalyptic imagery. How much of what he paints is his own invention?
Philip K Dick is more depressing than warhol - read the biography.
KJ I wouldn't wish such a job upon you.
Why would anyone wish to be such a
blatant servant to commerce? Sure fine art
as it's commercial underpinnings, but it is
such that the underpinnings are not so directly
wired to the work -- enjoying the status
as thing-in-itself. And while the commercial
artist does enjoy certain freedoms -- freedom
from the client and the widget is generally
not among them.
I'll keep you in mind when I finally make my escape, KJ.
With a warning that I once felt the same.
Typography & interactivity being the gateway drugs
toward the hellish nightmare of widgetdom.
But having fun with wax and the copycamera
is no more, unfortunately... more like widgetwankers and kernel panics.
i love andy.
how quaint.
to even think that even one knows how
to 'sort' the kinds of people attracted
to art, let alone the kinds of people
who practice it.
a friend of mine works for an agency that considers
ipods as supplies -- gives them away to employees once
they're done with their branding presentation, cause
their clients cant take gifts. ya know like when they
used to give away pens. ha!
but still, wouldn't want to work with 'em. My friend
doesn't have time to paint anymore. I gave up painting,
once to become an art director. no shit. I had faith in
the then-called 'new-media' to inspire me with a whole
new vernacular. Then, innovators like david carson and
Tomato (uk) and a whole slew of people coming out of
minneapolis yanked my attention away from painting and
onto graphic design, new media, et al.
But technology becomes so outdated and inaccesible so
fast-- you create something, and it's disposed of the
second it leaves you. Remember CD-ROMs? HA! Disposable.
Like ipods. Design as well because it is fashion-driven.
'Don't like brown -- well you better like brown, cuz pantone
tells you brown is next year's color... blah blah'.
Life-cycle-based. Like technology. Like technology based
art. This is why I distrust tony oursler. Though funny that
i still see value in paig's contirbution to art. But now,
those paig TV's seem campy. Like typography. Fashion, man.
Remember the grunge fonts? Hah.
When I left painting, I thought: Cultural production is
happening everywhere but art -- Art, the little girl in
the corner of the rooom who giggles snydely,
self-satisfied, while the rest of the world passes her
by. That wasn't my idea by the way, but it was how i
felt at the time. I no longer feel that. Painting speaks--
though on a much quieter level. Painting meets the
consumer halfway. It doesn't introduce itself to you
as quickly and obnoxiously as say a magazine spread
or a spot. Those forms have a built-in disposability,
similar to product-life-cycles.
Not that i care much for the value of indisposability.
It was not permanance that led me back to painting.
It was the quietude.
Cory Archangel did pretty well for himself, though.
so i'm not sayin it's not do-able.
But painting rules, as far as
i'm concerned.
i meant - painting, um, as a technology.
(what's the product-life-cycle of oil and pigment, anyway?)
Ha. tuché.
Does painting need electricity to work?
dunno.
The thought scares me though.
no juice, no art.
like when i went for half a day without
a broadband connection.
I was naked, man.
but even when naked, at least you have
spit and dirt to make a picture. I'm
thinking about the Schiele anecdote.
Or that m&m guy.
Interview was wonderful for andy, as was working in tv for paik, Wall Street for Koons, Billboads for Rosenquist, store windows for johns - rauschenberg
um.btw, whomever is sending me the Warhol e-mail hate mail, (i can only assume it is over something i posted here)
thats just wierd. please keep it to the boards.
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