this person is not a naive untought artist....they are in a show at deitch arent they? plus if you look at her other work it seems apparent that she has chosen this somewhat recognizable visual trope in which to spin her allegorical tales. plus 'untought' seems to be a democratic style doesnt it? to an insider the concious decision to paint in an 'outsider' style seems a bit pretentious maybe? but to the larger universe it can be an efficient way in which to tell a story...that is granted that there is a story to tell and not just a fasion statement.
They are definitely painted in an odd style. The quirkiness is the only thing working for me. Looks like a bunch of old-school hookers. Some kind of comment on the seedy side of sex. The objectification of women. Too bad the paintings really don't push the subject or the paint around. It just sits there for me. Very unimpressive paintings. Sorry De Oliver sex sells but I ai't buying.
had no intentions to shoosh anyone...i was just attempting to keep the conversation out of the 'is this outsider or not' ditch and maybe steer it into some other discussion ditch...narrative ditch? and maybe even the ' what constitutes a narrative' ditch.
This one seems as though it is trying to shock us into accepting it. Sometimes that is appropriate, like with Bacon where he wove beauty out of brutality. This one seems all shock.
i guess what i get out of this painting is that nothing fits. these women dont seem to fit into the place they are in...the cloths seem costume-like as does the makeup and hair...this hallway reeks and the women reek or artifice, a show, a front, and uncomfort...or maybe i feel the uncomfort of meeting them in this tight hallway.
Yeah Goble I think you are right on, there is a lot of intentional dischord here. The dingy hallway vs. the bright costumes, the somewhat off balance poses... this painting is meant to be unsettling. It reminds me of "The Scream" somewhat, and has a similarity of look to a lot of expressionist art. The more I look at it, the more I like it actually. Its not naive at all, actually seems very planned in terms of composition, pretty effective piece.
Reminds me of Barton Fink, in an odd way. Or a strip joint/flop house called the Marble Arch in Vacouver BC. Or any tea stained faux ghetto...Travis Bickle indeed. I was watching the People Under the Stairs (black cast yo) at the bar and this girl (of color) came in and was shilling cigarettes. I answered the survey and got all this free shit. So then this dude mistakes me for a "freelancer" if you know what I mean. Jesus.
Carrion Crawl On Down the hall But the gellatinous cube Gets the rube.
Oh but less about me and more about the painting - not my taste. Too "people of color" and not enough "problem or solution"
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Xiomara De Oliver
@ Deitch Project
Garden Party Group show
the figures carry an emotion.
nope. don't work for him at all. but fair amount of paths lead back to. show me 5 years of openings and i will show you a pattern of greatness.
the rendering of the walls.
this person is not a naive untought artist....they are in a show at deitch arent they? plus if you look at her other work it seems apparent that she has chosen this somewhat recognizable visual trope in which to spin her allegorical tales. plus 'untought' seems to be a democratic style doesnt it? to an insider the concious decision to paint in an 'outsider' style seems a bit pretentious maybe? but to the larger universe it can be an efficient way in which to tell a story...that is granted that there is a story to tell and not just a fasion statement.
They are definitely painted in an odd style. The quirkiness is the only thing working for me. Looks like a bunch of old-school hookers. Some kind of comment on the seedy side of sex. The objectification of women. Too bad the paintings really don't push the subject or the paint around. It just sits there for me. Very unimpressive paintings. Sorry De Oliver sex sells but I ai't buying.
chrisjag
had no intentions to shoosh anyone...i was just attempting to keep the conversation out of the 'is this outsider or not' ditch and maybe steer it into some other discussion ditch...narrative ditch? and maybe even the ' what constitutes a narrative' ditch.
This one seems as though it is trying to shock us into accepting it. Sometimes that is appropriate, like with Bacon where he wove beauty out of brutality. This one seems all shock.
i guess what i get out of this painting is that nothing fits. these women dont seem to fit into the place they are in...the cloths seem costume-like as does the makeup and hair...this hallway reeks and the women reek or artifice, a show, a front, and uncomfort...or maybe i feel the uncomfort of meeting them in this tight hallway.
Yeah Goble I think you are right on, there is a lot of intentional dischord here. The dingy hallway vs. the bright costumes, the somewhat off balance poses... this painting is meant to be unsettling. It reminds me of "The Scream" somewhat, and has a similarity of look to a lot of expressionist art. The more I look at it, the more I like it actually. Its not naive at all, actually seems very planned in terms of composition, pretty effective piece.
we are travis bickle.
I prefer to think of us as a lobster boat.
Reminds me of Barton Fink, in an odd way. Or a strip joint/flop house called the Marble Arch in Vacouver BC. Or any tea stained faux ghetto...Travis Bickle indeed.
I was watching the People Under the Stairs (black cast yo) at the bar and this girl (of color) came in and was shilling cigarettes. I answered the survey and got all this free shit. So then this dude mistakes me for a "freelancer" if you know what I mean. Jesus.
Carrion Crawl
On
Down the hall
But the gellatinous cube
Gets the rube.
Oh but less about me and more about the painting - not my taste. Too "people of color" and not enough "problem or solution"
Power to the people.
Like Iggy said "I felt the luxury of her"
Hey women will kick your ass evry time. Because as Maya Deren said--femininity is everything human that is not necessary. and we tcb too.
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