4/12/2006

Billy Sullivan

42 comments:

Painter said...

I am going on vacation a cross ½ country trip and I won’t be able to post from the road without my laptop. It is still having problems, but I will try. Everything will be back on Tuesday. Have a good holiday if you celebrate one.

Painter said...

Billy Sullivan
Friends @
Nicole Klagsbrun
526 W, 26th St.

fairy butler said...

have a nice trip painter!

mr.wakeup said...

mediocre drawing...

crimen laesae Romanae religionis said...

Dear Mr. Wakeup,

This is poor drawing and unintriguing.

CLR

mr.wakeup said...

i agree ' poor'. looks like poor reportage illustration because not drawn decently. hackish... i get much more from real reportage illustration/art.

no-where-man said...

i thought it was Elizabeth Peyton

zipthwung said...

A dedicated follower of fashion.

bada said...

I thought it was elizabeth peyton, too.

oops.

ultraglom said...

not good when another artist comes to mind. i went to the amy sillman show, whose work i generally dig, and could only think that joanne greenbaum does it better. . . same case here, only e. peyton, not j. greenbaum. . .

kunstmaggot said...

Sullivan has been exhibiting in New York sense the late 70's.

www.artforum.com/diary/#entry10768

kunstmaggot said...

Sullivan has been exhibiting in New York sense the late 70's.

www.artforum.com/diary/#entry10768

burrito brother said...

Greenbaum IS better, even though they are different. Why doesn't Greenbaum get more attention?

zipthwung said...

Some lady spit on a subway passenger today -

Schadenfreud is awesome, second to getting paid.

There's a 19 year age difference between Peyton and Sullivan right?

Thats the age of the average Vietnam grunt...how do i know that.

I just can't be happy today. Or I can.

Joanne Greenbaum is growing on me. Stilll not convinced by the doodles though.

Cooky Blaha said...

these are going for 18-20,000$ They actually look better in the jpeg, but seeing his whole ouvre in the catalogue for some reason lessened my grudge against the work

no-where-man said...

thx for the ad forum page 6 link, clearly there is a link
i feel somewhere i have run across this very painting and thought it was EP... moma or gavins maybe..

bada said...

similarities to hockney? what do you think?

JD said...

Yes, but Hockney draws with a lot more snap & crackle.

floydart said...

so tired of faux naivete. when did you all stop learning to paint?

bada said...

these are my thoughts: like min kim's work, sullivan's (and EP, for that matter) owe much of their success to their pop sensibiilities. Sullivan being the more established artist, at least I can say that... there may be something there that I'm not getting, but something that his buyers must be getting for quite some time.

not to say what they're getting is necessarily significant.

I think it could be said easily that this work, and Kim's, are pleasant, light hearted and playful. Despite krauss's propositions, people still want to sublimate, or specifically in these cases, escape. There are different kinds of art appreciators, afterall, and many may prefer fantasy in the true sense of the word.

If we turn our attention to the buyers... if we say most are the wealthy, it wouldn't be too far to say that wealthy appear to be less interested in history of art, the discipline, the intellectual background, (less educated, let’s face it) and more interested in merely what they like (Saatchi, perhaps?). Unfortunately much of "what they like" is greatly swayed by media and hype along with the masses. This element makes the art industry volatile for everyone and detracts from "serious artists and art" and gives more possibility for artists closer to commercial sensibilities to do well in their career. In the end, it confuses art appreciators on the whole, including the important sector of those that can't buy art but add to the dialogue of it... by bluring the lines too much... This is where Warhol's effect has been very detrimental. I think to be educated and informed in the arts is pretty important for the dialogue, with the uninformed staking ignorant claims on the much that isn’t art, and the progression of arts, well, takes considerable steps back.

Hockney, with whom I'm including Murakami who is also widely accepted commercially, play an interesting part in art today for playing the game of what is valued commercially but still putting something valuable to the dialogue of art. An interesting situation to be as an artist, but many of their imitators end up looking way too commercialized, or, as said, are victims of bad timing, and end up feeding the sway of the uninformed. With hockney and murakami, the choice to do art this way is premeditated, and conscious; not faux-naivete, not self-conscious, nor casual. And I think that’s what separates them from others. (can’t say I love either, though) Choosing to do art with commercial similarities is a strong choice, and the connotations can many times undermine the meaning of the art, if not addressed directly and deliberately somehow in the art itself.

operation enduring artist said...

i am ignorant to sullivans history so i ask, fully knowing the stupidity of the question...can he paint well?

for argument i will assume he cant...
the differences between sullivan and hockney and Murakami are great, sullivan "cant paint". hockney does not maint or didnt paint in a faux nieve way (what the hell is that)...he simply styleized his subject matter. he went through many styles oe moments to arrive at his current place...many contemporary painters skip all of the other steps and flex their inability to paint by 'fitting in' with the now. {this has value, but different than that of hockney who arrived at this by much styleistic sculpting}.

murakami is very clear in his intention (along with Nara). have you all read the superflat? read the essays in the superflat catalogue, it explains their relation to pop japanese culture and what they are trying to say with their paintings and sculptures. they DO have a clear statement/reason. i often get the feeling that many contemporary U.S painters are just passive with their aesthetic...just using it for its Hip factor.

operation enduring artist said...

when i say hockney 'styleized' hios subject matter i meant he painted them in a particular (to him) styleized way.

no-where-man said...

hockney like really fucking gay? pls. send the checks here.

mr.wakeup said...

goble,

you mean hockney 'developed',' experimented and figured out his approach'? that is what you mean by 'stylized'?

i am unclear by what no-where- is referring too...

Mr. W

ec said...

Though Sullivan is not a major artist, his work can be surprising at times. Pieces of color loom, leaving punched-out spaces at odds with the French-inspired palette (think Alice Neel's portrait of Linda Nochlin). He is a member of the light and space school, a la Hockney, Peyton, et al.

operation enduring artist said...

yes mr w, developed....it was late when i was writting that and thoughts and words were slipery.

zipthwung said...

There are lots of cartoonists out there who are not called cartoonists.

Just saying.

Hockney is gay? OMG. I'm seeling my framed museum poster right now. Splish splash i was taking a bath...you know the one. Just kidding. Not into most of it. But I can dig it. Hockney is like the Elton John of art? I like to think so.

Sir Elton John.

But DH declined knighthood in 1990, apparently.
THink of all the parties he wont get invited to...not a night.

no-where-man said...

wierd. i just went to see the folks, there in town for easter, cleaning the disco up... clean clean.... so thier hotel... = the whole room was art, which me mum was hatten on (prints) golden! so i was able to use the peyton to spring board heilmann which inturn explained the 15 story lewitt. peyton is good. billy s as well.

no-where-man said...

thats kina cool

theNameUnderground said...

Okay, I like how this looks, but I'm confused by the hipster figure on the left. I presume he's wearing a lime-green short-sleeved shirt, sitting on a '70s kitchen chair with a yellow-brown flowery pattern. But ... is the guy supposed to be so skinny that we can't see his torso? I think we see both of his hands ... where's the left arm? Is he part-invisible? Or am I totally looking at it wrong?

Vlahos Boyiajees said...

Saw his stuff online and yeah there's definitely Peyton, Hockney and Matisse in these paintings. For me that's the problem. Nothing screams Sullivan.

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ec said...

Insouciance can be refreshing.

theNameUnderground said...

Okay, a yellow-brown flowery patterned sweater makes more sense than a a yellow-brown flowery patterned chair. Though it does perfectly resemble the '70s kitchen chairs that were in my house as a kid.

Vlahos Boyiajees said...

you're right ec. Light and dark are both worth representing in painting.

no-where-man said...

i think for the issues this work is addressing are not those this thread is using to crit.

imageworship said...

If anyone's getting bored, you can go tear apart my posts until painter returns.

averywhitelabels said...

this show was so fun

averywhitelabels said...

i hit send before i meant to. this show was fun to see, it looks like peyton, it looks like snapshots, it looks like hockney but even though all that i think it's got great things. so much more interesting thatn the way petyon uses her space. not as suck-up-y. not about fame, just people hangning around together. if anything it looks too much like nan goldin. that would be my only problem.

chrisjag said...

Since when is Peyton used in the same breath as Hockney...completely different caliber of artist there. Hockney is a good examble of what is lacking in both Peyton and Sullivan

Liv said...

I'm trying to find images of a painting by Sullivan that I really love. It's called "Clams and Lemon" can anyone help me?

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