Nice work, I look forward to seeing it this afternoon, I still tire of the faux naieve my politics are correct through aesthetics look. Did peple see the eva struble show across the street recently? You could almost jumble the shows together and walk out thinking they were by the same person. Doesnt that generic style stand as a bit of a problem after 3 years?
Everybodys happy were finally all the same
coz everybodys jumping everybody elses train
we remember that one right? Or does that make me a fogie?
I don't mind because they don't look anything alike. Benson's is made out of tape or something. I love the way she paints the sky in all the paintings.
havent seen it in person so I cant make a judgement and I like Klagsbrun, but the painting on view at http://www.roeblinghall.com/ looks quite similar over the internet, at least with the tactics they are utilizing:a construction type space, with some of the architectual elements rendered in outlines only, and an expanse of mildly cloudy sky interrupted by a playful element with its abstractly decorative aspects utilized to interrupt the airy space of the sky in a mildly poetic way, in Benson's case balloons(?) in her's birds(?). I'd like to see the show though, and the greenhouse painting looks cool, though even that brings to mind clare rojas. sorry for making the comparisons, just a habit of mine. perhaps the orginality of these will come through better in person.
As a disclaimer I've met her but don't know her well. I think Roberta Smith was off comparing her to Larissa Bates and other imaginary landscape painters. Maybe she belongs in that genre but there is also something very unique about her. These are dark Americana. Suburban OCD. The dry meticulous surface reminds me of early American casein paintings.
no comment on the Eva Struble, Matthais Weischer comparison and where all this is coming from?
Cubism was huge in France, but really max Weber is the only guy who got props for appropriating directly? Everything else was an incorporation of that movement to create a new aesthetic. Sometimes I get the feeling artists are being lobotomized and their aesthetic replaced with someone elses. This is not at all a condemnation, a lot of this work is great, I am just wondering if people see this as sensibility or academicism, by which I mean things are moving so fast now that this is second wave aesthetics of a movement already coalesced...
SOmetimes it seems like people argue over how much actual stuff is in the work. Is there an explicit narrative? No? DOes it force you back into the world? No? Does it let you in and keep you there? How long? DOes it eat your breadcrumbs? Does it shove you in the oven? Does it build an addition with your carcasses?
WHen a painting renovates itself with your bones, it can be an appealing sight. You dig down and there you are, a dinosaur from the jurassic period. Or you dig down and there it is, your lost youth, dead, but shadow still intact. Then you hear the ticking clock but its too late- Alligator.
In the last painting there was more stuff going on. It wasnt as lonely or weird in the sense of weird as being weird.
It was situation normal.
Eric Benson is situation normal, feel the concrete, pat the bunny.
This is more goodnight moon, goodnight room. Or maybe Larissa Bates is goodnight moon, and this is more Where the wild things are.
Orange and blue. You know what those colors do. Who made who? Does it shake you? DOes it sink the pink? DOes it ride on? Does it ring the bell? DOes it shake the foundations? Is it an ace? Does it rock?
dee-duh say it. duh dee. One five. Power chord. Horizon line. Color wheel. Sex appeal. Eye of a hurricaine. Inside the blue room, riding the curl. Death becomes us.
Which one of the following is not a painting by a paintersnyc artist:
A dog biscuit. In the shape of a dog. WIth a bite taken out. Two glowing red eyes at the bottom of the water bowl.
A plumber under the sink, a half eaten jawbone is his wrench. The homeowner splayed on the lawn outside next to the pink flamingo.
A toaster oven demolishing a brick wall with devil print toast.
Indians massacreing a circle of heroin junkies, needles in arm. Wagon train on fire, glowing green.
Stripes, in an appealing array and palette, dissolving into mud at times.
1000 POL: frantic pitch? Didnt someone say something about the bigger picture somewhere at sometime in some way. Anxiety I fear not, influence I fear not, my work in quotes whenever viewed, that I fear.
how about the idea of translating reality into a medium. When was the last time you saw a still life that wasnt rendered realisticly? What would a still life like this look like? I am unsure I could consider this landscape in that it seems like a set. (theatricality rears its head) I have forgotten art 101 was theatricality good or bad???? Oh right it depends on what political party you belong to. Anyone know Jullian Bells comments on what carnival represents in painting? If this is indeed a style, then it should be put through its paces. I assume it is a style in that the fear of influence seems to have gripped me. Let me know, I am dying to get on board. I am sure you can tell...
I read that the worst mistake you can make is to buy the wrong piece from the right artist.
Thats the kind of anxiety that will kill any ordinary person.
One time -this is apocryphal I think they call it - my parents were a young couple and a relative sneered at them cuz they didnt have a washing machine.
In the same way I am sneering at this work because it has pretentions to concept (Im kissing my foundation right now brother) and yet it has no ghastly blood-flood of a wig type thing going on.
Not hip at all.
EIther you are partt of the problem or part of the solution. This solution is problematic, in that it ignores the problem.
Thats called begging the question.
Well Im begging the beggar. I am begatting the mucus sack. I am licking the placenta off of the pups. I am gently nudging the little invisibles into the air. Soon the firebats will burn your rice paddies.
batswap don't know about this case in point (yet) but gut says that a collector could have fliped it for a fast profit or if they can be sure someone will pick it up for an estimate attempt to secure a base market.
i am sorry if this is "harping" to people however as someone intrested in gallery Art this stigma against paying attention to how and y it got there is an intellectual burka.
Y not? - hidding something?... have a little faith.
zip: what you are talking about is quotation, hmmm...influence again I have no problem with. People considered Picassos Vollard suite a rape of history, I think that is in error. There is no prob as I see it in borrowing innovative moves from contemporaries, but I can see a lot of art in a thousand years with the label (The Circle of so and so) do you follow?, well do they is the question...
But then there is the good artists borrow, great artists steal. This seems to be borrowing in a bad way. I am as guilty as the next. I suppose it goes to how does one attempt to foster american art, or is that wrongheaded should it be an international style? and if so should it be so leipzig centric?
Im going to see if thats a painted over rainbow in the bg.
Art doesnt have to be a bout social things or even about art. Art can be about bunny rabbits and flowers. But art with bunny rabbits and flowers is hard to sell for 400,000 dollars, for example.
somebody somewhere really needs to put together a show of boticelli's hell drawings. kick ass man. http://www.beliefnet.com/religion/christianity/images_of_hell/images/chart.jpg
Jung called these concepts "archetypes", which can be seen as the unconscious images of our instincts. Typical archetypes are "mother" and "hero". He stated: "To my mind it is a fatal mistake to regard the human psyche as a purely personal affair and to explain it exclusively from a personal point of view. Such a mode of explanation is only applicable to the individual in his ordinary everyday occupations and relationships" (46). Sigmund Freud had voiced a similar opinion: "I have taken as the basis of my whole position the existence of a collective mind, in which mental processes occur just as they do in the mind of the individual . . ."(47).
I like that idea. Sort of the hive mind thing. I also like Neitches unbermench, and the supercultural food groups, coffee, cigarettes and booze.
"I don’t know if it means something but it looks like a gun"
5. This is our idea: We bring something with us for America. And when we leave, we will have gained the experience of how our experience has been experienced.
Did Kuspits "The End of Art" put a spike in the art market?
Also, Im curious as to how many here would self identify themselves as narcissists. TO clarify, what isnt narcissistic, or are we alll GROUNDED in some relation to the self in some sort of positive-negative dichotomy?
Also, I heard 10gs was a good price an established artist for a modestly sized canvas. Is that the mean? As in, is that a sopmewhat bubble proof price - or do people worry about that?
Donald Kuspit submits an astute assessment of the current state of contemporary cognitive expression which many people erroneously call "art". He has accurately identified that most of today's contemporary "art" is preoccupied with joyless ideological and intellectual concepts which fail to provide an aesthetic experience. He clearly describes how the product of the intellect clearly differs from expressions that emanate from the depths of ones subconscious mind, ones psyche or one's soul. Mr. Kuspit thoroughly examines, in what is sometimes a difficult read (for that which is clearly non-trivial subject matter), the origins of post-art, the departure from an aesthetic orientation and why so much of today's work is simply the banal placed on a pedestal by those who have taken their identity from the crowd.
This painting has a subtext of suburban ennui. I know it well. You grow up feeling like you will never stand out.
The anxiety of fashion grips art at the moment. Artforum has ads for yves saint laurent et al. The Kuspit book really irked me in a lot of ways but this passage is especially prescient: "Thus, "one of the main characheristics of contemporary society is the growing isolation of the individual" and the normless typical of anomie, that is the lack of "superego" norms by which the individual can guide and judge his behavior and in which he can find meaning and value as well as measure his own value and give himself meaning. Instead of stable, convincing norms and meaningful values there is the weed-like growth of numerous ephemeral norms and values- including those of art - which have an ephemeral appeal to the individual, just because they confer an ephemeral individuality. Ephemerization- in art as well as in the social life of which it is a part- is a direct consequence of the deep uncertainty that exists in normless anomic society.
Anomie infects art, making it ephemeral to the extent that it loses any pretense to being eternal. the eternal is no longer the norm by which art measures itself. the fact that ephemeral movement rapidly replaces ephemeral movement in modern art, and ephemeral artist rapidly replaces ephemeral artist in postmodern postart- with a seasonal frequency more breathtaking than that of fashion, so that what was valuable, meaningful, and 'normal' one ephemeral season (and the season gets shorter and shorter) - suggests as much. Postart must make its impact very quickly, for it has less time to do so than any previous art, since it is more ephemeral than any previous art. This means that it must be instantly comprehensible to the masses. Eagerly assimilated by the mass culture it eagerly caters to, postart quickly becomes the fashionable emblem of isolated individuality. It is the ephemeral sign of an ephemeral individuality, indeed, an individuality that only exists to the extent that it identifies with the currently fashionable postart , which is as pseudo-individual as it is."
People are more interested in having a "lifestyle" than hunkering down and getting lost and dirty in their own mind.
lifestyles are overrated. This painting looks interesting to me. But dark suburbian angst I am sick of. I suppose I should have the guts to take the train into the city and actually see something for once.
"In her solo debut, the young painter Echo Eggebrecht distinguishes herself among the growing ranks of artists working in the category of quasi-folk, semi-abstract representational painting, tiny-brush division."
So here we all are, sitting in front of the glowing rectangle, taking our measure of meaning in a relative world. Kuspit comes along and says, "Postart must make its impact very quickly, for it has less time to do so than any previous art, since it is more ephemeral than any previous art."
Does anyone believe this is true? It may be the case, but is it true? Well maybe it is, if artists go along with the notion without question.
Kuspit goes on, "…is the growing isolation of the individual" and the normless typical of anomie, that is the lack of "superego" norms by which the individual can guide and judge his behavior and in which he can find meaning and value as well as measure his own value and give himself meaning."
It may well describe the culture (western affluent culture) but it also sets the stage for the artist. My sense is that most of the contributors to this blog are ‘serious’ about what they do. It’s evident in their strong opinions about what the see other artists doing. Part of the problem is that what Kuspit describes as "…stable, convincing norms and meaningful values" is a twentieth century idea, an idea from a time when there were such things. No matter that these "stable" values disenfranchised a number of artists which didn’t fit the mold. The sheer increase in size of the artworld, as a result of a growing population (worldwide) means that the hegemony of a single set of values is broken and no longer a viable model going forward.
If fashion drives the market, which I believe it does, then the marketplace must adapt. If one goes to Amazon to buy music, it’s broken down into a zillion categories and within each one we could find some way to ‘measure’ a particular piece of music, we wouldn’t all agree but there would be some generalized consensus.
An individual artist can choose a path, commit to a passion and to a vision, declare an identity, and directly confront the existentential question of ‘meaning’. It is, and has always been, a solitary, heroic act.
... kind of like tribes, tracks, tropes and trip-bits. The trip-bits are the things you have to watch out for.
BTW come hell or high water looks strong--kind of moved away from RS's definition, if it was ever there. Equally are Cordy's in project room. Interesting mix of D. Just a train cathy-ride? I would make it--probably definitely worth your while.
I agree George. Kuspit is way too bourgeois for me. I think he went on to champion artists like Odd Nerdrum in that book. Then he introduced terms like "new old masters" and in the most serious way.
However I think he has a point about fashion and its influence on art. But entertaining ideas of "eternal" is just as self defeating as living completely and entirely in the moment. I see his point tho. I'll take pseudo-eternal over hipness anyday, its easier on my wallet.
Has anyone been to the Gagosian site and checked out the new Currin show. It only has one image but it seems Currin is trying to attract a lot of attention. Check out the image....
This is always interesting coming on here and reading. 15% is probably too generous. hahaha. Train ride away is fine but going into the city gave me constant panic attacks.
I say we vandalize galleries. not the art just the structures.
If you enjoy Raedecker then by all means...The Sugimoto... I know someone who was offered these and he scoffed. 80 for a picture of the corner of the room? I came to the defense no these are great, having my own love for pictures of the corners of rooms (my own collection even) All has to do with local color of course, but upon seeing the show I must retract. They werent so great. It was cool however to see a show of photos of an empty gallery. I cant say I have ever seen that. See also photos of the backs of photos another personal fave at Bellwether.
I dont know that I would "dash" for anything that is up at the moment. Give it a week more will be open right?
Here is the real question what the _______ is up with that Andre Schlechtriem place? Thank god its temporary. That is way too harsh.
Ernesto Neto sadly dissapointed too. Maybe I was having a bad day, but it really seems that the places in Chelsea get bigger and yet less work is being placed in them.
I found DOnald Kuspit soemwhat refreshing in that as closeup mentioned, fixing some sort of gold standard to the cobwebbed vaults of Arrrrt would be somethiong other than the nullity of say baudrillard (I HEART Goofy).
My theory is antifascism got out of hand with Clement Greenberg being a sort of art world restaging of Stalin! the spectacle.
Now everyone with power wants to inject money into their veins instead of madness, or as a madness. Cant say I blame them but a lot of my profs seemed to think the market has ruined art.
So On the flip side Kuspit doesnt really address the isssue. Greed is good right? More money=more artists=more good art right?
Spray painting the galleries actually just legitimizes them - see Shafrazi and Guernica. A publicity stunt that no one understood, apparently, but won him cred (Im educated guessing) with a disenfranchised and youthfull graff crowd).
At one time people were releasing cockroaches in and picketing outside major institutions. Because they believed in them. THese sorts of actions are ineffectual unless the succeed in embarassing the institiution or individuals. Daniel Buren did that with his landlord dealio. This painting doesn't.
Written by a poser. Coffee Shops in williamsburg? My god. Full of college kids and day traders. Graphic designers and, wait I dont go to coffee shops in williamsburg. WHy pay the earth for a cup of coffee?
Real hipsters hang out at neighborhood bars on weekdays, where people will tell you they hate hipsters. And people. And art.
Or not. Depends on the person. Its a free country last I looked. Susan Sontag? Please. Weekly World News.
And finally, if you want to go to openings and yopu need to be invited then youll probably just go to your friends openings, or friends of friends. Or friends of enemies. Enemies of enemies. Complete strangers. It gets positively Machiavellian.
You know, its a great tactic to appear revolutionary while being reactionary.
This painting is of course ironic. I hope that doesnt hurt anyones feelings. Im guessing not.
I had a dream I made a joke about auschwitz, and I think a child of a survivor or something told me it wasnt funny, but I sort of blurted it out. Thats the way you have to paint. WHo cares if anyone gets it. And also, if its not funny, and doesnt sell, you can burn it.
"What was once revolutionary is now reactionary, what was once reactionary is now revolutionary.... ...for the New Old Masters one can never learn one’s craft too well, and when one does the result is not slick but uncanny.
So I notice that there are a lot of "Kuspitism" floating around. I enjoy Kuspit but the end of art was such a negative book, I dont really know that I can hang on with that guy. That and he recently gave a lecture at Alex Greys chapel of sacred mirrors.
I brought him up because theres allways this current of where have all the flowers gones, sailed off to avalon, lost race, dead giants, sleeping dragons kind of thing, which is basicly the church of dungeons and dragons (hoist a flagon of meade in the great hall of love ! Under the hill we go...)
Thats the kind of retrograde romanticism that will get you killed.
zip you mean Kuspit is that form of Romanticism? As always I am for compromise, I think he has some of the answers but is too extreme, as is Relational aesthetics. the rigid and the anarchic both lead to the same end and extreme heat death, (entropy) as does most everything, a bit of balance is nice.
I don't know if theres anything wrong with that kind of romantisim. Its the cynical that annoys, but we all are to some degree. Perhaps we're just being to cynical about the cynical. What are you thinking about? :) Anyways, why compare? As artists to artists. Everything should be indivitualized to the point that every painting should stand on it's own and need no refrence.
But that is the point it Does need that reference, otherwise it wouldnt be "good" the "good" is about making the proper encoded references, that is why most original art is not paid any attention to, because it has its own encoded system. But I agree that things should stand on their own
after you put down $22,000.00 for the down payment your left with a mortage that will cost you $5030.00 per month + the taxes and maintenance which is another 827.92 give or take.
Zip that was a great ad! Perfect timing! Still like the art, Ecco, the architectural, and the human absence, which unwinds a lot of people. Viva la empty and the noise it makes
Zip I'm afraid to click your links now PS- can you please return the 2 years of my life expectancy lost from the "do you see the difference between these pictures" link? thank you !
I like the feeling of human absence combined with the sense that the sky is descending sharply beyond the horizon of the construction. The weak, broken geometry of stairs cut out of mud, and torn plastic fence netting leave room.
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Echo Eggebrecht@
Nicole Klagsbrun
526 West 26th Street #213
New York, New York 10001
There's something about the sky that feels tension-filled. Not sure if it's from that hint of an arc - or the wispy, brushy paint. Curious.
Nice work, I look forward to seeing it this afternoon, I still tire of the faux naieve my politics are correct through aesthetics look. Did peple see the eva struble show across the street recently? You could almost jumble the shows together and walk out thinking they were by the same person. Doesnt that generic style stand as a bit of a problem after 3 years?
Everybodys happy were finally all the same
coz everybodys jumping everybody elses train
we remember that one right? Or does that make me a fogie?
The Cure rule. so does suburban sprawl.
Is this the Ur kunde for this work?
Matthias Weischer
I hate to harp on the market but did anyone see the estimates that just posted on Phillips?
This is it folks its the big one, to quote Fred Sanford....
A Karen Killimnik painting that was in her current exhibition goes straight to auction?
How does this happen, anyone know?
does anyone mind the fact that this painting is extremely similar to this Erik Benson?
http://www.roeblinghall.com/
I don't mind because they don't look anything alike. Benson's is made out of tape or something.
I love the way she paints the sky in all the paintings.
havent seen it in person so I cant make a judgement and I like Klagsbrun, but the painting on view at http://www.roeblinghall.com/ looks quite similar over the internet, at least with the tactics they are utilizing:a construction type space, with some of the architectual elements rendered in outlines only, and an expanse of mildly cloudy sky interrupted by a playful element with its abstractly decorative aspects utilized to interrupt the airy space of the sky in a mildly poetic way, in Benson's case balloons(?) in her's birds(?). I'd like to see the show though, and the greenhouse painting looks cool, though even that brings to mind clare rojas. sorry for making the comparisons, just a habit of mine. perhaps the orginality of these will come through better in person.
As a disclaimer I've met her but don't know her well. I think Roberta Smith was off comparing her to Larissa Bates and other imaginary landscape painters. Maybe she belongs in that genre but there is also something very unique about her. These are dark Americana. Suburban OCD. The dry meticulous surface reminds me of early American casein paintings.
no comment on the Eva Struble, Matthais Weischer comparison and where all this is coming from?
Cubism was huge in France, but really max Weber is the only guy who got props for appropriating directly? Everything else was an incorporation of that movement to create a new aesthetic. Sometimes I get the feeling artists are being lobotomized and their aesthetic replaced with someone elses. This is not at all a condemnation, a lot of this work is great, I am just wondering if people see this as sensibility or academicism, by which I mean things are moving so fast now that this is second wave aesthetics of a movement already coalesced...
Milton Avery in there somewhere?
SOmetimes it seems like people argue over how much actual stuff is in the work. Is there an explicit narrative? No? DOes it force you back into the world? No? Does it let you in and keep you there? How long? DOes it eat your breadcrumbs? Does it shove you in the oven? Does it build an addition with your carcasses?
WHen a painting renovates itself with your bones, it can be an appealing sight. You dig down and there you are, a dinosaur from the jurassic period. Or you dig down and there it is, your lost youth, dead, but shadow still intact. Then you hear the ticking clock but its too late- Alligator.
In the last painting there was more stuff going on. It wasnt as lonely or weird in the sense of weird as being weird.
It was situation normal.
Eric Benson is situation normal, feel the concrete, pat the bunny.
This is more goodnight moon, goodnight room. Or maybe Larissa Bates is goodnight moon, and this is more Where the wild things are.
Orange and blue. You know what those colors do. Who made who? Does it shake you? DOes it sink the pink? DOes it ride on? Does it ring the bell? DOes it shake the foundations? Is it an ace? Does it rock?
dee-duh say it. duh dee. One five. Power chord. Horizon line. Color wheel. Sex appeal. Eye of a hurricaine. Inside the blue room, riding the curl. Death becomes us.
Which one of the following is not a painting by a paintersnyc artist:
A dog biscuit. In the shape of a dog. WIth a bite taken out. Two glowing red eyes at the bottom of the water bowl.
A plumber under the sink, a half eaten jawbone is his wrench. The homeowner splayed on the lawn outside next to the pink flamingo.
A toaster oven demolishing a brick wall with devil print toast.
Indians massacreing a circle of heroin junkies, needles in arm. Wagon train on fire, glowing green.
Stripes, in an appealing array and palette, dissolving into mud at times.
for god'sake get some lunch, your blood sugar is dangerously teetering...
shh Im trying to think of something to draw.
1000 POL: frantic pitch? Didnt someone say something about the bigger picture somewhere at sometime in some way. Anxiety I fear not, influence I fear not, my work in quotes whenever viewed, that I fear.
zip: all those paintings and more have been produced by Daniel Richter
how about the idea of translating reality into a medium. When was the last time you saw a still life that wasnt rendered realisticly?
What would a still life like this look like? I am unsure I could consider this landscape in that it seems like a set. (theatricality rears its head) I have forgotten art 101 was theatricality good or bad???? Oh right it depends on what political party you belong to. Anyone know Jullian Bells comments on what carnival represents in painting? If this is indeed a style, then it should be put through its paces. I assume it is a style in that the fear of influence seems to have gripped me.
Let me know, I am dying to get on board. I am sure you can tell...
maybe I need some lunch?
I read that the worst mistake you can make is to buy the wrong piece from the right artist.
Thats the kind of anxiety that will kill any ordinary person.
One time -this is apocryphal I think they call it - my parents were a young couple and a relative sneered at them cuz they didnt have a washing machine.
In the same way I am sneering at this work because it has pretentions to concept (Im kissing my foundation right now brother) and yet it has no ghastly blood-flood of a wig type thing going on.
Not hip at all.
EIther you are partt of the problem or part of the solution. This solution is problematic, in that it ignores the problem.
Thats called begging the question.
Well Im begging the beggar.
I am begatting the mucus sack. I am licking the placenta off of the pups. I am gently nudging the little invisibles into the air. Soon the firebats will burn your rice paddies.
That Daniel Richter isnt half bad.
1)Joan Didion used to retype Ernest Hemingway's short stories to gain a better understanding of his style
2) "Elegy to the Spanish Republic" by Motherwell is an abstracted depiction og bulls balls.
4) Someone somewhere believed Robert Ryman was/is a link in the art historical chain.
3) Rocky Mountain Oysters are turf and not surf.
batswap
don't know about this case in point (yet) but gut says that a collector could have fliped it for a fast profit or if they can be sure someone will pick it up for an estimate attempt to secure a base market.
i am sorry if this is "harping" to people however as someone intrested in gallery Art this stigma against paying attention to how and y it got there is an intellectual burka.
Y not? - hidding something?... have a little faith.
zip: what you are talking about is quotation, hmmm...influence again I have no problem with. People considered Picassos Vollard suite a rape of history, I think that is in error. There is no prob as I see it in borrowing innovative moves from contemporaries, but I can see a lot of art in a thousand years with the label (The Circle of so and so) do you follow?, well do they is the question...
But then there is the good artists borrow, great artists steal. This seems to be borrowing in a bad way. I am as guilty as the next. I suppose it goes to how does one attempt to foster american art, or is that wrongheaded should it be an international style? and if so should it be so leipzig centric?
no where: didnt follow that at all... smaller sips of that after lunch coffee...
if botticelli isnt a great draughtsman anymore then I quit
Im going to see if thats a painted over rainbow in the bg.
Art doesnt have to be a bout social things or even about art. Art can be about bunny rabbits and flowers. But art with bunny rabbits and flowers is hard to sell for 400,000 dollars, for example.
A painting that hasnt been sold isnt worth anything.
Discuss.
somebody somewhere really needs to put together a show of boticelli's hell drawings. kick ass man.
http://www.beliefnet.com/religion/christianity/images_of_hell/images/chart.jpg
Jung called these concepts "archetypes", which can be seen as the unconscious images of our instincts. Typical archetypes are "mother" and "hero". He stated: "To my mind it is a fatal mistake to regard the human psyche as a purely personal affair and to explain it exclusively from a personal point of view. Such a mode of explanation is only applicable to the individual in his ordinary everyday occupations and relationships" (46). Sigmund Freud had voiced a similar opinion: "I have taken as the basis of my whole position the existence of a collective mind, in which mental processes occur just as they do in the mind of the individual . . ."(47).
I like that idea. Sort of the hive mind thing. I also like Neitches unbermench, and the supercultural food groups, coffee, cigarettes and booze.
experience the experience
"I don’t know if it means something but it looks like a gun"
5. This is our idea: We bring something with us for America. And when we leave, we will have gained the experience of how our experience has been experienced.
Experience The Experience Of Being Buried Alive
american art? LMAO
high prices cannot be taught. Or can they?
kiss,
How'd you get to be so sharp? That's about it.
And the casino makes a cool 20%
That's kapitalism at work
Did Kuspits "The End of Art" put a spike in the art market?
Also, Im curious as to how many here would self identify themselves as narcissists. TO clarify, what isnt narcissistic, or are we alll GROUNDED in some relation to the self in some sort of positive-negative dichotomy?
Also, I heard 10gs was a good price an established artist for a modestly sized canvas. Is that the mean? As in, is that a sopmewhat bubble proof price - or do people worry about that?
Donald Kuspit submits an astute assessment of the current state of contemporary cognitive expression which many people erroneously call "art". He has accurately identified that most of today's contemporary "art" is preoccupied with joyless ideological and intellectual concepts which fail to provide an aesthetic experience. He clearly describes how the product of the intellect clearly differs from expressions that emanate from the depths of ones subconscious mind, ones psyche or one's soul. Mr. Kuspit thoroughly examines, in what is sometimes a difficult read (for that which is clearly non-trivial subject matter), the origins of post-art, the departure from an aesthetic orientation and why so much of today's work is simply the banal placed on a pedestal by those who have taken their identity from the crowd.
Danto is full of joy.
So this rope walks into a bar and the bartender says "get out, we dont serve ropes here".
So the rope walks into a bunch of bars and same thing. Its hours later and the rope is pretty thirsty.
So the rope wraps himself up into a little ball and pulls each of his two ends apart and walks into the first bar he walked into.
"Gimme a wiskey", he says.
The bartender is supicious. "Saaaaay, arent you that rope that walked in here this morning?"
So the rope says......
"NOPE, Im a frayed knot!"
I am, I said
To no one there
And no one heard at all
Not even the chair
He aint heavy, hes my brother.
why you gotta be so serious?
This painting has a subtext of suburban ennui. I know it well. You grow up feeling like you will never stand out.
The anxiety of fashion grips art at the moment. Artforum has ads for yves saint laurent et al. The Kuspit book really irked me in a lot of ways but this passage is especially prescient:
"Thus, "one of the main characheristics of contemporary society is the growing isolation of the individual" and the normless typical of anomie, that is the lack of "superego" norms by which the individual can guide and judge his behavior and in which he can find meaning and value as well as measure his own value and give himself meaning. Instead of stable, convincing norms and meaningful values there is the weed-like growth of numerous ephemeral norms and values- including those of art - which have an ephemeral appeal to the individual, just because they confer an ephemeral individuality. Ephemerization- in art as well as in the social life of which it is a part- is a direct consequence of the deep uncertainty that exists in normless anomic society.
Anomie infects art, making it ephemeral to the extent that it loses any pretense to being eternal. the eternal is no longer the norm by which art measures itself. the fact that ephemeral movement rapidly replaces ephemeral movement in modern art, and ephemeral artist rapidly replaces ephemeral artist in postmodern postart- with a seasonal frequency more breathtaking than that of fashion, so that what was valuable, meaningful, and 'normal' one ephemeral season (and the season gets shorter and shorter) - suggests as much. Postart must make its impact very quickly, for it has less time to do so than any previous art, since it is more ephemeral than any previous art. This means that it must be instantly comprehensible to the masses. Eagerly assimilated by the mass culture it eagerly caters to, postart quickly becomes the fashionable emblem of isolated individuality. It is the ephemeral sign of an ephemeral individuality, indeed, an individuality that only exists to the extent that it identifies with the currently fashionable postart , which is as pseudo-individual as it is."
People are more interested in having a "lifestyle" than hunkering down and getting lost and dirty in their own mind.
lifestyles are overrated.
This painting looks interesting to me. But dark suburbian angst I am sick of.
I suppose I should have the guts to take the train into the city and actually see something for once.
"In her solo debut, the young painter Echo Eggebrecht distinguishes herself among the growing ranks of artists working in the category of quasi-folk, semi-abstract representational painting, tiny-brush division."
I thought this was cute. :)
ok,I take it back-
So here we all are, sitting in front of the glowing rectangle, taking our measure of meaning in a relative world. Kuspit comes along and says, "Postart must make its impact very quickly, for it has less time to do so than any previous art, since it is more ephemeral than any previous art."
Does anyone believe this is true? It may be the case, but is it true? Well maybe it is, if artists go along with the notion without question.
Kuspit goes on, "…is the growing isolation of the individual" and the normless typical of anomie, that is the lack of "superego" norms by which the individual can guide and judge his behavior and in which he can find meaning and value as well as measure his own value and give himself meaning."
It may well describe the culture (western affluent culture) but it also sets the stage for the artist. My sense is that most of the contributors to this blog are ‘serious’ about what they do. It’s evident in their strong opinions about what the see other artists doing. Part of the problem is that what Kuspit describes as "…stable, convincing norms and meaningful values" is a twentieth century idea, an idea from a time when there were such things. No matter that these "stable" values disenfranchised a number of artists which didn’t fit the mold. The sheer increase in size of the artworld, as a result of a growing population (worldwide) means that the hegemony of a single set of values is broken and no longer a viable model going forward.
If fashion drives the market, which I believe it does, then the marketplace must adapt. If one goes to Amazon to buy music, it’s broken down into a zillion categories and within each one we could find some way to ‘measure’ a particular piece of music, we wouldn’t all agree but there would be some generalized consensus.
An individual artist can choose a path, commit to a passion and to a vision, declare an identity, and directly confront the existentential question of ‘meaning’. It is, and has always been, a solitary, heroic act.
... kind of like tribes, tracks, tropes and trip-bits. The trip-bits are the things you have to watch out for.
BTW come hell or high water looks strong--kind of moved away from RS's definition, if it was ever there.
Equally are Cordy's in project room. Interesting mix of D.
Just a train cathy-ride? I would make it--probably definitely worth your while.
So where does ‘meaning’ reside, in the painting or in the viewer?
When El Greco was ignored, did his paintings change?
I agree George. Kuspit is way too bourgeois for me. I think he went on to champion artists like Odd Nerdrum in that book. Then he introduced terms like "new old masters" and in the most serious way.
However I think he has a point about fashion and its influence on art. But entertaining ideas of "eternal" is just as self defeating as living completely and entirely in the moment. I see his point tho. I'll take pseudo-eternal over hipness anyday, its easier on my wallet.
Romantic or not, it's heroic.
pretty,
His choices for (get this folks) "the new old masters" were questionable at best and in my opinion market driven
Fashion has always had an influence on art, Rembrant is a good case in point, he was in then out of fashion.
Has anyone been to the Gagosian site and checked out the new Currin show. It only has one image but it seems Currin is trying to attract a lot of attention. Check out the image....
composition aint bad......
This is always interesting coming on here and reading. 15% is probably too generous. hahaha.
Train ride away is fine but going into the city gave me constant panic attacks.
I say we vandalize galleries. not the art just the structures.
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Invited-to-Art-Gallery/Exhibit-Openings-in-NYC
after actually going to see this show yesterday I thought it important to login in and say that I have absolutely nothing to say about this show.
I'd compare it to Michael Raedecker...
by the way it is not a painted out rainbow in the background, just an attempt at creating space. (as far as I could tell)
sorry Echo.
"stable convincing norms and meaningful values" wouldn't that be stirring things up?
learning to love you more
If you enjoy Raedecker then by all means...The Sugimoto... I know someone who was offered these and he scoffed. 80 for a picture of the corner of the room? I came to the defense no these are great, having my own love for pictures of the corners of rooms (my own collection even) All has to do with local color of course, but upon seeing the show I must retract. They werent so great. It was cool however to see a show of photos of an empty gallery. I cant say I have ever seen that. See also photos of the backs of photos another personal fave at Bellwether.
I dont know that I would "dash" for anything that is up at the moment. Give it a week more will be open right?
Here is the real question what the _______ is up with that Andre Schlechtriem place? Thank god its temporary. That is way too harsh.
Ernesto Neto sadly dissapointed too. Maybe I was having a bad day, but it really seems that the places in Chelsea get bigger and yet less work is being placed in them.
Is that about visual subjugation?
Does anyone have a direct link to Mansons new gallery in LA? I am dying to see if he represents Nick Lowe.
I found DOnald Kuspit soemwhat refreshing in that as closeup mentioned, fixing some sort of gold standard to the cobwebbed vaults of Arrrrt would be somethiong other than the nullity of say baudrillard (I HEART Goofy).
My theory is antifascism got out of hand with Clement Greenberg being a sort of art world restaging of Stalin! the spectacle.
Now everyone with power wants to inject money into their veins instead of madness, or as a madness.
Cant say I blame them but a lot of my profs seemed to think the market has ruined art.
So On the flip side Kuspit doesnt really address the isssue. Greed is good right? More money=more artists=more good art right?
Spray painting the galleries actually just legitimizes them - see Shafrazi and Guernica. A publicity stunt that no one understood, apparently, but won him cred (Im educated guessing) with a disenfranchised and youthfull graff crowd).
At one time people were releasing cockroaches in and picketing outside major institutions. Because they believed in them. THese sorts of actions are ineffectual unless the succeed in embarassing the institiution or individuals. Daniel Buren did that with his landlord dealio. This painting doesn't.
PrettyPablum said...
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Invited-to-Art-Gallery/Exhibit-Openings-in-NYC
12:11 AM
Written by a poser. Coffee Shops in williamsburg? My god. Full of college kids and day traders. Graphic designers and, wait I dont go to coffee shops in williamsburg. WHy pay the earth for a cup of coffee?
Real hipsters hang out at neighborhood bars on weekdays, where people will tell you they hate hipsters. And people. And art.
Or not. Depends on the person. Its a free country last I looked. Susan Sontag? Please. Weekly World News.
And finally, if you want to go to openings and yopu need to be invited then youll probably just go to your friends openings, or friends of friends. Or friends of enemies. Enemies of enemies. Complete strangers. It gets positively Machiavellian.
You know, its a great tactic to appear revolutionary while being reactionary.
This painting is of course ironic. I hope that doesnt hurt anyones feelings. Im guessing not.
I had a dream I made a joke about auschwitz, and I think a child of a survivor or something told me it wasnt funny, but I sort of blurted it out. Thats the way you have to paint. WHo cares if anyone gets it. And also, if its not funny, and doesnt sell, you can burn it.
"What was once revolutionary is now reactionary, what was once reactionary is now revolutionary....
...for the New Old Masters one can never learn one’s craft too well, and when one does the result is not slick but uncanny.
here
So im saying you know, Im crazy spoon man, gimme some canny.
So I notice that there are a lot of "Kuspitism" floating around. I enjoy Kuspit but the end of art was such a negative book, I dont really know that I can hang on with that guy. That and he recently gave a lecture at Alex Greys chapel of sacred mirrors.
really....
I brought him up because theres allways this current of where have all the flowers gones, sailed off to avalon, lost race, dead giants, sleeping dragons kind of thing, which is basicly the church of dungeons and dragons (hoist a flagon of meade in the great hall of love ! Under the hill we go...)
Thats the kind of retrograde romanticism that will get you killed.
zip you mean Kuspit is that form of Romanticism? As always I am for compromise, I think he has some of the answers but is too extreme, as is Relational aesthetics. the rigid and the anarchic both lead to the same end and extreme heat death, (entropy) as does most everything, a bit of balance is nice.
That clip is FUN E
I don't know if theres anything wrong with that kind of romantisim. Its the cynical that annoys, but we all are to some degree. Perhaps we're just being to cynical about the cynical.
What are you thinking about?
:)
Anyways, why compare? As artists to artists. Everything should be indivitualized to the point that every painting should stand on it's own and need no refrence.
But that is the point it Does need that reference, otherwise it wouldnt be "good" the "good" is about making the proper encoded references, that is why most original art is not paid any attention to, because it has its own encoded system. But I agree that things should stand on their own
Let sleeping words tell the truth! Nothing! No thung, no thing!
Phone tone loop?
The sacred cao. Arrivadercci.
GOdammer has some cool stuff to say about encoding and decoding and but running with scissors - man thats crazy.
THere is no spoon, moon.
Redundant I know but so is this painting.
here
to sum up:
hermeneutics
every encoding is a decoding
ground
practical
platonic
gentrification or philosophy.
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whats jockin?
Zip that was a great ad! Perfect timing!
Still like the art, Ecco, the architectural, and the human absence, which unwinds a lot of people.
Viva la empty and the noise it makes
Zip
I'm afraid to click your links now
PS- can you please return the 2 years of my life expectancy lost from the "do you see the difference between these pictures" link?
thank you !
i didnt do the scary one. Unless you mean foucault and gadammer. Im with the if its not in the picture it aint there crowd.
I like the feeling of human absence combined with the sense that the sky is descending sharply beyond the horizon of the construction. The weak, broken geometry of stairs cut out of mud, and torn plastic fence netting leave room.
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