11/13/2007

Anders Oinonen

139 comments:

Painter said...

Anders Oinonen @
Mehr (Midtown)
436 West 18th Street
NY NY 10011

Cross said...

Some art is deceptively simple. Other art is just simple. I'm not sure about these yet, but this one has an attractive simplicity which I would like to see in person. (The other image on the Mehr site is creepily like the scarecrow from Wizard of Oz... but that might be oversimplifying on my part.)

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Cross said...

thanks, quis, I'll take a look.

Cross said...

OK, I'm glad I looked at the other larger images. The ones that work best for me (not that that matters) brush up against realism in certain areas of the painting. "To Be Titled" is one of these. The contrast between the loose brushy areas and the suddenly tight descriptive passages give the work an energy that is easy to miss at first. I think I'd like 'em in person.

CAP said...

QQ - I saw the eight on the Mehr website - all very similar and pretty small (12" X similar)- what else is there to the show? Hopefully more....

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zipthwung said...

Funny cuz I was looking at this book on color with a Diebenkorn on the front. That shit is cool I guess but to me hair splitting styles for the sake of niche marketing makes me gag like you would on an unidentified phlegmlike gobbet in an Orange Julius. Im talking here about sucking one up through a straw. Yuck.

Orange and brown are supposedly colors that excite the appetite, or in other words, the colors of fast food. THis painting is fast food as well, bringing to mind the suburban sprawl with its strip, don;t cruise by more than once or face Johnny Law. Instead congregate in the parking lot of the hi status bank parking lot, collect directions to the house party and try to cop some alcohol from the local seven eleven. Excuse me sir, would you buy us a couple bottles of some Mad Dog 20-20 ? THen hit the drug store looking sick and collect the Robotussin (circa 1990).

Yes, all that and more.

Kandykorn. Its a lifestyle, and the livin's easy. Not difficult enough. Not enough. THe color choices analagous, complimentary and pat. try designing for e-commerce.
Perhaps the implied space of receeding vanishing point plough or airport hallway. Not enough to go on. Need more there there. WHo needs a face when a face can be broken?

Idon'tbathe said...

LAME O' I got a broken face
I got a
I got a broken face
Uh-hu, uh-hu, uh-hu, uh-hu, ooo
I got a broken face [3x]

There was this boy who had two
Children with his sisters
They were his daughters
They were his favourite lovers

I got no lips, I got no tongue
Where there were eyes there's only space
I got no lips, I got no tongue

I got a broken face, uh-hu, uh-hu
I got a broken face

There was this man who snapped his poke
In little pieces
And then they drilled holes
And then they put 'em back in there

I got no lips, I got no tongue
Where there were eyes there's only space
I got no lips, I got no tongue

I got a broken face
Uh-hu, uh-hu, uh-hu, uh-hu, ooo
I got a broken face

The little thing who loves my laundry
Speaks no English
But if you saw her
You'd say "Hey isn't she lovely"

I got no lips, I got no tongue
Where there were eyes there's only space
I got no lips, I got no tongue

CAP said...

Yeah the children of the blank generation give even big brushstrokes a calculated efficiency, in a fruity palette, a tiny realm.

The colors definitely beg commerce.

Judging from the angle and cropping to this example I thought the artist was going to play around with close-ups of faces from movies and animation – especially anime – with all those toy colors and doll people. But then, looking at the others, the planes and volumes are not really about that at all. It’s more about this very clean and tidy deployment of color and brushstroke. The faces are mostly sad, but really it’s about pulling faces, making fun of expressionism, above all being neat.

Actually the effect is more like Philip Guston does Anime or vice versa.

Angst Lite and Tone Bright.

JpegCritic said...

:-P

JpegCritic said...

}:-(

JpegCritic said...

bête comme un peintre? :)

webthing said...

the effect of computer without having to show the cables, fables. with a little human thrown in for measure. onion skinning for tone. translucent mixing of paint. good. i bet he shaves his face in the same way, smooth and swiftly, no margin for error. it's his own face looking down concentrating, weird. mona lisa mouth bit of both.

jejejeddejd
eldkdekokdoe
deokkdeokde
dkeokdeokdej
ejdjekjdjje
deoeoieoieio
ejdjdjekjdj
djekjdkdjeod

what have we got in there, mayo, mustard, cream cheese, beetroot, carrot, some pork, an olive, a green olive too, a slice of pepper, and some horseradish, it makes me hungry.

zipthwung said...

I think you have to up the polygon count on these. that or leave some of the edges uncreased. I"m into converting the NURBS surface into polygons - in some programs you can then modify the smooth spline in the NURB surface to controll the faceted polygonal surface. Its all a matter of granularity in your controll points, like resolution, but for shape. NURBS are analog, polygons are digital.

Same with brush size. I mean instead of using a broader brush, sometimes you can use your mind force and controll the path of the lemmings as they jump over the surface of your own personal event horizon. We are talking levels of abstraction. ANd most people know by now its all abstract, except when you get a knife in the gut or a funch to the nose. But that's what it will take for this painting to change, then I guess that's what we have to do. Unfortunately the apint is already dry.

Hodgkin is the one stroke wonder right? His brush creating thousands of random swipes, controlled by the brush and it's attendent ferrule.

The Zen painters depend on this chaotic flow, and the edges are all important. Eliminating that you tend to lose the so called expressive nature of the stroke - expression being an anthropomorphization of a sometimes arbitrary form - turning each brush attack into a lozenge for daytime so you can rest medicine - and each painting into a bottle of Tranquil.
Izeit?

Just say no to opiates and hello to stimulants. Thats my advice. Not enough cocaine in painting, need more Aderall inspired shit. And as far as I'm concerned shrooms can serve as the frame and gateway into my skillet. Thats the way you make an omelette, you dig? Stop me if you dare.

I am heavy metalic noise wonder machine from beyond! I am Dr. Doom coming at you with a fist full of love and another fist, equally full of hate. Or half empty love and half full hate. We like the glassware at Denny's

Master-Blaster rules Bartertown!

emil said...

Hey I stumbled upon this blog whilst looking for other painting stuff on the web.. Pretty cool. I agree with the prior commentary

(not enough of anything..)except that I would add that the main failure in my eyes is the lack of invention to the drawing. A simple Paul klee face looks inventive the green stripe in matisse is inventive even a luc tuymans carries inventive weight sometimes in a simple face, but this.. just looks simple minded. In regards to the color however, It takes a little confidence to make the hue change between the face plane and the blue void it falls into..props on that and the nose has a great solidity and parts to whole give and take. However, since it is a painting of a face in a simplified fashion we have to judge the abstraction/simplification and there is not enough wagered..bleh

emil said...

That nose color is good to. just give me the nose posing as a nicely painted stick of butter and I will be happy.

emil said...

Okay go to CTRL Gallery in Houston on the web and check out the artist's work there. Much better color and great abstract composition, but they are still ridiculous faces wich is meant to be ironic I suppose but it ruins the paintings

emil said...

Better then the stuff at Mehr maybe. On second thought maybe just better Jpegs..

Concrete Phone said...

One of the odd aspects of this artist's work is the contrast of the fluid paint verses the more sculptural constructs often played out @ nose level where cereal box like forms are derived from via the packing of fluids to form architectural motifs. Too some of the playful fault lines where a deliberate mark plays havoc with the more sensual reading of line which can meander off or climb, to then rejoin or miss the next connection @ whim, playing with our logical expectation of how and where the mark should connect, traverse, a colored area. Repositories from manga seem apparent, as do chiseling strategies used by still life and or face painters. Interesting too is the use of diagonal. The artist has plenty of time to figure where they want to take this.

CAP said...

The big crisp brushwork reminds me a bit of the landscapes Robert Zandvliet was doing a few years ago, but without the bright colour.

http://www.artnet.com/artwork/54454/164/robert-zandvliet-untitled.html

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arebours said...

somehow ,I deleted a thing that was rather dear -fuck-someth.bout the colors looking like the blotch and lozenge of the provinces,and not wanting to take a drug that made you feel like ..a bunch of planes-because that is what i think is going on here-and i do not want to see it...it should not be seen

Idon'tbathe said...

[ course youheard It all a the Wrist;What ifhe tell you tha.....t you could change ur painting drasticaly bye just holding your bush differently?/Nothing ventured... gained. many times haveheard this quote! all have a level of risk we are willing to ado in lifes.some o us very conservative in arisk- prefer sure eady quo there are those jump offa cliff and knit the purachut on way down. people willing too rusk lossing whaty have hope achieving stuff better. lot fall betwean this two stuff's
whuat i said...befour same good. oh.',

poppy said...

this is basically dana schutz without the eating your own fingers stuff..

CAP said...

Hey Poppy! Long time no hear.

I was thinking similar but wasn't sure if I should say the S word.

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surfkook said...

Bored to tears...like the guy in the painting

Cross said...

Maybe the guy in the painting is sad about what painting has come to.

zipthwung said...

Harold Parkette hires "Pastoral Greenery and Outdoor Services Inc." to cut his lawn. Conversing with the serviceman who arrives to do the job, Parkette is unsettled to hear him use the expression, "by Circe." The lawnmower man eventually deploys an "aged red power mower" which autonomously mows the lawn while he crawls in its trail on all fours, naked, devouring the grass. The lawnmower then chases after a mole, chopping it up, before returning to its track. The lawnmower man eats the shredded mole. It emerges that the lawnmower man is working for the god Pan. At this point, Parkette tries to call the police. The lawnmower man notices this, and directs the mower into the house, chewing up the carpet and a coffee table. Parkette tries to escape, but the mower catches up with him on the lawn and runs him over like the mole earlier. The story ends as the police discover Parkette's entrails behind the house in a birdbath.

zipthwung said...

Disaster . . . it can happen anywhere,
But we've got a few tips, so you can be prepared
For floods, tornadoes, or even a 'quake,
You've got to be ready - so your heart don't break.

Disaster prep is your responsibility
And mitigation is important to our agency.

People helping people is what we do
And FEMA is there to help see you through
When disaster strikes, we are at our best
But we're ready all the time, 'cause disasters don't rest.

milf-magic said...

I like it! It's a bunch of pretty colors... but it's also a head! It seems to me like he's that head-guy from Tron going through different emotions: pensive, sad, grumpy,etc. It's too bad he had to die at the end. Why was that movie such a bust?

zipthwung said...

your mind my virus.

CAP said...

QQ - a fair point.

What’s the difference between Schutz’s palette and Oinonen’s? I think it’s a matter of emphasis.

In Schutz the planar modeling to volumes strikes me as just a playful way of indicating volume and the choice of tone or color is kind of loose or reckless along with that. But Schutz rarely stays with just a head, usually they’re doing something or being done to – the emphasis is on larger issues about the person. Whereas Oinonen sticks with just the head, and the emphasis falls on how certain colors work as modeling. The big brushstrokes are actually very careful about how they place planes and in other examples (Twiliter) he gets into rims or edges of color intensity for a stroke or plane, which really ‘heightens’ the emphasis.

So the difference goes firstly to one of attitude.

In Oinonen that kind of de-personalizes the head for one thing, but it also throws a lot of interest on the color combinations – if not as modeling or volume, then as color schemes in general (abstract). And on that level the choices maybe start to look a bit decorative or tasteful, unless you have some mystical color code where blue is eternity or something.

(I don’t know about the drug thing, Rebours, maybe so, maybe no…).

I like the way the brushstrokes fit together in Oinonen’s stuff, kind of match the scale, and as Concrete said, fold around the subject – but I guess I’m ready for more than heads.

Concrete Phone said...

I've been thinking about color cap. And in a sense what i came up with is that it is kind of mystical, or at least very strange.

It struck me a while ago that red was indeed red.
Um, I'm going on a different track here, so bear with it or skip...
There are many different kinds of red, different material substances that hold it. And also there is the place where we meet it. And I thought about this in some detail. I thought about red's shape, can be any shape really. And what I came to understand is that despite all the complexities that surround red, red stands on top of them all. I was astounded that in fact what we first think of when we see the color red is the color red.
For this understanding to work out in any way useful I had to go into this little project further, keeping in mind all the complications. And what i found myself doing was considering this higher law: In essence red is red, and more red is just that, more essence less we frolic in the scarlet meadows at the pass...

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CAP said...

Well to dredge up an old philosophical chestnut, Concrete -

Out of the blue!

Can you point to something that is only and always purely red?

And I won't accept Simply Red either.

Concrete Phone said...

I gave that link as an example, one example

another example might be found in the statement:

the diversity of the color red cannot be greater than the color itself, which I kind of said above. Red IS all these things.

CAP said...

How are you going to point to everything?

JpegCritic said...

you vibberrate til your finger
is compactashizziffied.

JpegCritic said...

a warning for those adventurous first-timers:
Your member may at first come out a tad bit
worn or bloody. Don't worry, these symptoms
are common. Apply neosporin liberally to heal,
but try and try again.

CAP said...

Red is red is red is red.

I've no argument with that, in fact it's hard to think of anyone denying such taut logic.

On the other hand, as a statement of essence, it doesn't get us very far either.

Concrete Phone said...

Essence, i figure is something you arrive at through internalizing, not deduction or even commitment. Essence is the realization not the reduction.
Also:
Painting a red coat on canvas has the problem of making the red like a coat, which it is when it is a coat. The coat being red has the essence of that color built into the coat. We can either say a red coat or simply point to the coat and say red, because the essence of that color is still intact. When we paint a red coat out comes the different tubes of paint and we mix something that appears red and has all the qualities of a coat. However Matisse figured that red and the coat can be communicated simultaneous with the minimum of effort. It really wasn't until the second wave of color painters figured any red would do, to get called a color painter. In a sense, despite the sometimes simple use of the color these artists understood the essence and how essence can move into different contexts without having to work for some labored meaning of what a quasi-essence looks like in particular context.

A tailor doesn't labor over the color of the cloth they are using. It's a given.
Mystical, or just plain mysterious--the color red.

CAP said...

As mysterious as calling reduction realization.
What can deduction be if not internal?
To us or the matter at hand?
How is a realization not a commitment?

Painting a red coat starts with paint, not red. The redness of the coat and the redness of the paint, are instances of red, as are tomatoes, apples, sunsets and lipsticks. But to make red paint look like a red coat, it's not enough to match just reds – it’s the coat worn or draped in a certain way, at a certain distance, in a certain light etc. And all those things will make the painting look like a coat that happens to be red, rather than red that happens to be a coat.

Thus the Platonist accepts red as a property, the nominalist prefers to place it as a predicate. Let’s leave each to their procrustean bed.

Matisse can generalize that a red against a green is red enough to do without perspective or volume, but ends up with less of a coat for it, more of a coat of paint. Others, as you say ponder the shape, place and means of color, and I’ll go along with John Gage on that – although the last time I recommended him here someone promptly denounced the whole forum as ignorant.
So let me stress – this is just my opinion.

’these artists understood the essence and how essence can move into different contexts without having to work for some labored meaning of what a quasi-essence looks like in particular context’.

Sorry, but what are you against here – essence, or working for it in different contexts?

Concrete Phone said...

Cap
'essence is the realization not the reduction' is what I said.

Context is paramount, i think I also said.

zipthwung said...

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Cross said...

yellow and blue must be feeling a little left out

ndalicopout said...

Senses of Cinema are a bunch of sucks, and if they didn't play School politics so much their publications might be a bit more real.

No Rush said...

Im liking this painting. The color seems nostalgic and subtly complex in the combinations. The painting technique is reductive and functional like the shaving metaphor. Combined with the intense emotionalism of the facial expressions, I get a weird hot/cold feeling that I enjoy.

These paintings are like a norwegian hacker who cracks a dvd code, and still lives with his mother. he's hot and where is NWM to agree with me?

tightpants said...

A question of vocabulary for the regulars posters, or anyone else: do you make a distinction between the descriptors "cartoon/y/ish" and "illustration" or are they synonymous?

zipthwung said...

cartoon is abstraction. As such all abstracted work contains an element of the cartoon - not to be confused with the traditional "sketch" or underpainting.

Illustration is something that occurs after the fact, rather than as a process. In other words, the idea comes first, then it is illustrated.

I find the premeditated illustration often is a cartoon of the otherwise spontaneous work or emotion embodied in the work.

And of course one cant always tell.

But really, pre-planned stuff is pretty boring in general, to genralize.

If you are a pianter and you already know what the painting is going to look like, then I wonder what your motivation is?

This painting is pretty cartoony and illustrational. I don;t think it is refined, in the sense of "fine" art, any more than a Norman Rockwell. If you insist then I bet you are pretentious.

On the whole though, there is nothing wrong with this painting.

But I wouldn't want to live with it.

Clashes with the vibe.

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Sunil said...

Very simplistic and reductive...

fluffy said...

Hey Zip
,
You can have a picture in your head that needs to come out too u know. Its not so much about the process when doing these- its about the image. Its about pure indulgence in witnessing ones skill for oneself and fuk everybody else
.
This painting from Oinonen shows this, I'd say, or they were sketched before hand to attain the simplicity. What some may find though, that subconsciously (without knowing the real reason why), they feel that the spontaneity implied is coming from a preplanned image and therefore the painting sits somewhere in between both worlds
.
It does for me
. . ; . _
"-;'., >.,

zipthwung said...

A guy walks into a bar. A minute later a girl walks into the bar, which is funny, because you would think the girl would have noticed the guy.

1) Do you hate one liners?

2) When people say a painting has resonance, what do you suppose they are describing? IS this something you say with a straight face?

3) Visual puns are a category of visual representation. What is the last visual pun you saw? Was it a one liner? Did it have resonance?

4) When did you go to Home Depot last? When you see the Home Depot logo on a race car, does that have resonance?

5) What do words like "robins egg blue", "bananna yellow","burnt sienna","teal","salmon","safety orange","tangerine","shadowy palm","lavender twilight","maroon destiny","ship breaker brown" and "beige", mean to you?

6) When you paint, do you feel a numinous spirit guiding your brush?

7) What is "the other," or the totally mysterious, to you?

8) How do you access the other?

9) When you are introduced to the parents of the other, do you stutter, or do you make them uncomfortable?

10) Have you killed the man in the mirror?

fluffy said...

All of the above, but i'll mark one question wrong on purpose, that way I'm still beating the system.

zipthwung said...

In logic, begging the question describes a type of logical fallacy, petitio principii, in which the conclusion of an argument is implicitly or explicitly assumed in one of the premises.[1] Stephen Barker explains the fallacy in The Elements of Logic: "If the premises are related to the conclusion in such an intimate way that the speaker and listeners could not have less reason to doubt the premise than they have to doubt the conclusion, then the argument is worthless as a proof, even though the link between premises and conclusion may have the most cast-iron rigor".[1] In other words, the argument fails to prove anything because it applies what it is supposed to prove as fact.

zipthwung said...

Reification (also known as hypostatization or concretism) is a fallacy of ambiguity, when an abstraction (abstract belief or hypothetical construct) is treated as if it represented a concrete, real event or physical entity. In other words, it is the error of treating as a "real thing" something which is not one. When people describe nonbiological events (like a geyser) or social institutions (like government) as alive, they are committing a reification fallacy.

Note that reification is generally accepted in literature and other forms of discourse where reified abstractions are understood to be intended metaphorically, for example, "Justice is blind." The use of reification in logical arguments is a mistake (fallacy), for example, "Justice is blind; the blind cannot read printed laws; therefore, to print laws cannot serve justice." In rhetoric it may be sometimes difficult to determine if reification was used correctly or incorrectly.

Pathetic fallacy or anthropomorphic fallacy (in literature known as personification) is a specific subset of reification, where the theoretical concepts are not only considered alive, but human-like and intelligent.

zipthwung said...

i.e: Art is like a clown; when you fuck it up the ass, it still smiles.

webthing said...

the klown line is too funny.

on the color thing, red is the slowest color, it has the widest wavelength of those in our little piece of the electromagnetic spectrum called visible light. so its the slowest color really. violet is the fastest. we have more receptors in our eyes for distinguishing greens than any other color, thats why standard greens always look artificial and wrong, and need to be mixed heavily to achieve the same lasting and inviting impact brought by a red.
ferrari in green? green in large flat sections looks horrid, most of the time, and usually needs to be broken up in some way to replicate an organic appearance. but as far as tones that work flat go, the palette in this painting includes most of the colors that hinge around those pleasurable to whoman biological systems.

Eh, eh eh, eh, ehhhhh

Concrete Phone said...

you guys are bad!!!

For me the best of this work lay in the paint/form strategies. The colors represent the artist not the subject so much. it might be interesting for the artist to move outside the palette and see what comes up. And keep going.

Now look, this red business. I'm going to have to say that red is the red that you think of best when the rest are at their best on the move.
Red is the planet that we load up our fears with little fiends and foes investing our rational tears.
Red is after-all red my dears.

There has been some great green paintings. it's a very hard color, cadmium green-lite, Yuk and then yum. Why yuck and yum?
When we see it! Wow all that green, plastic metal green. And when you apply smaller to broader areas hmmm,
I have come to the conclusion that green is green after all. it's a great soothing color. it's also gray, the midpoint. There is a German artist who says that gray and green  are the pure colors. Grrrrr...!

Yellow: Good bye yellow brick road. Of course here we are talking about gold. But if you paint a block of foam gold it will appear to have weight. If you paint a block of concrete yellow light it will appear weightless. That's been played out too.

And in the robot world i remember the yellow one was special.

'Blue' is on the nose I think they say in horseracing.

operation enduring artist said...

are there any 'major' representational works that could be refered to as a 'green painting'? Bruegel has his 'yellow' masterpiece, Picasso many blue ones, Van Gogh a red one, but where is the green? Jim Henson maybe?

Concrete Phone said...

o'en'a i think your bike piece has a lot of green, and pink and kinda gray. Green and pink grow well together as does gray. I always think of Milton Avery when i think of green and pink. And when i think of Avery I start to think of 80. In eighty there are numerous things. There is more to 80 than meets the eye. And, too, you could say that about Avery.
http://www.wisdomportal.com/Numbers/80.html

operation enduring artist said...

ah, fibonacci! good call. but still, call forth a good green one.

ok, im struggling here, she painted that beautiful painting of a hanging plant? the plant hangs in front of a backdrop of trees and green bleeds into green bleeds into green. i cant remember her name, but shes young and paints from life...
anyway, that was a 'green painting' worth noting.

80 is empty. 81 is the beginning.

JpegCritic said...

ellen altfest?

operation enduring artist said...

ellen altfest, yes. thank you. green on green, mmmmm.

some of klimts paintings of trees are outstanding and underappreciated if you ask me. he manages to paint green without green being the dominant 'color'. playing tricks with pictures without playing tricks at all. he's tapping into the 'mystical', 'magical' and 'spiritual' aspects of color.

JpegCritic said...

op'n artist,

what do you think of Thoralf Knobloch

JpegCritic said...

ok then,
http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/artpages/thoralf_knobloch_merkwurde.htm

Concrete Phone said...

here's some non-objective painters that seemed to have made use of green. Modrian would be turning in his grave:

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

CAP said...

Jake Berthot has always been good with green.

Concrete Phone said...

cap from artcriticaldotcom 
In 1996, Mr. Berthot, who had made his mark in the 1960s as an abstract painter, moved to a property in Upstate New York where he began to draw from nature. He was attracted, in particular, to trees, which he treated in a stylized language which was almost self-consciously a hybrid of naturalism and abstraction, colliding elements of perceptualism and geometry but resisting their fusion.

Roger Fry once observed, in relation to Cézanne, that every classic is made from a romantic repressed. Something more fundamental in Mr. Berthot's artistic personality, however, appears to be repressed in these pictures.

There is no denying that he is able to muster a sense of mystery, a romantic *genius loci*, in his loving renderings of favored spots on his estate. But where an artist like Sylvia Plimack-Mangold, with her cool passionate empiricism, recalls the intense focus of Cézanne, Mr. Berthot, despite taking similar painterly ambitions to a neighboring landscape, never achieves a personal synthesis comparable to Ms. Mangold's, let alone Cézanne's.

There is something almost camp about the surfaces of his pictures, as if he were making some retro joke about Victorian landscape painting, while the juxtaposition of geometric webs and naturalistic trunks and branches is forced to the point of seeming diagrammatic. Mr. Berthot might aspire to being a kind of painterly mystic, speaking in tongues, but for the time being he only comes across as a ventriloquist.


That said, I think he's been a pretty cool painter, whatever he draws from or does. Distinctions are pretty ridiculous but... who keeps them up?

Good call though:)

CAP said...

Yeah even when he was doing the losange thing (80s?) he had a great feel for green


I bet he had the 12" remix of Everything's Gone Green

zipthwung said...

kick out the Jamz

Jake Berthot is an academic fuddy duddy, more than a ventriloquist (who desn;t speak in toungues let them throw the first stone)

What ever floats your boat, rising tides can have that effect, but not for everyone, I'm afraid.

Luxor could be the real thing or a replica, but if you go inside you will be convinced. Its all about journeying down the stone passageway to the core, and thus starting the chain reaction that starts the revolution.

Let them eat disinformation, because thats the way the hedge maze is constructed - think how boring richard serra is compared to a zen garden. No comparisn, one, charitably obdurate,t he other charmingly opulent - both minimal.

Zen preceeds the fifties and sixties in the Puritan and Quaker modes, a guilty pleasure until the Orient makes denial an exotic luxury.

Alex katz works rather well with modernist catwalk architecture - metal tubes and all.

Sounds better than what I;ve read anyways, none of it rings true.

zipthwung said...

I've got a war inside my head
It's got to set your soul free
I've got a wheel inside my head
A wheel of understanding
I'm a loadin', loadin' my war machine
I'm contributing to the system, the break down scheme
I'm a shuttin' down, I'm shuttin' down your greed for green
I am here to gun it down, I gotta do
I see pretty flowers at my feet
Cool breeze, clean air, hospitality
Pretty please, pretty please, pretty please
Get the hell away from me
I'm a loadin', loadin' my war machine
I'm contributing to the system, the break down scheme
I'm a shuttin' down, I'm shuttin' down your greed for green
I am here to gun it down, I gotta do
I've got a war inside my head
It's got to set your soul free
I've got a wheel inside my head
A wheel of understanding
I'm a loadin', loadin' my war machine
I'm contributing to the system, the break down scheme
I'm a shuttin' down, I'm shuttin' down your greed for green baby
I am here to gun it down, I gotta do

CAP said...

Sheesh what a grouch.

zipthwung said...

operation: Stormfront

I've got a pocket full of pretty green -
I'm gonna put it in the fruit machine -
I'm gonna put it in the juke box -
It's gonna play all the records in the hit parade -
This is the pretty green - this is society
You can't do nothing - unless it's in the pocket
- oh no -
I've got a pocket full of pretty green
I'm gonna give it to the man behind the counter
He's gonna give me food and water -
I'm gonna eat that and look for more -
And they didn't teach me that in school -
It's something that I learnt on my own -
That power is measured by the pound or the fist -
It's as clear as this oh -
I've got a pocket full of Pretty Green!

zipthwung said...

The vast majority of English folk cannot and will not consider a picture as a picture, apart from any story which it may be supposed to tell.

Anabaptists! Hugonauts!

zipthwung said...

French Hugeonauts:

Thoreau, Jedediah Smith, Rousseau, Sarah Roosevelt (mother), Paul Revere, HW Longfellow, Jean-LucGoddard, Andre Gide, Charles Gide, Eddie Izzard, Francois Le Clerc, Davey Crockett....

no-where-man said...

does getting fucked up the Ass make some people not smile?

Different circles i guess.

Go see - Julian schnabels the Diving Bell and the Butterfly for a Great work of Art - narrative Film bridging Painting, Film and Sculpture.

zipthwung said...

So goddamned literal.

I enjoyed the enthralling but gormless mist room or "cold sauna" at marx. Phenomenological stuff is in I guess. Very populist and at the same time evocative of Sherlock Holmes.

Don;t see Beowulf unless "Final Fantasy", "Dragonslayer" and political topicality are your metier or whatever. I hear American Gangster is where its at. Jayz channeling real crocodile tears and shit. SOmehow someday.

poppy said...

just trying to remember my password...

poppy said...

I guess I'm a real skeptic sometimes..the colors may be different, how diff not sure. I'm just curious how many schutz mutations are out there? Seems like here name comes up alot, but it hasn't recently so i thought I'd throw it out there. this planer thing,.. building it up only cleaner.. maybe to me it is too simple a knock off. I'd like to see hers and others influences mutate in more of a sense of freedom or something,.. but whatever

Idon'tbathe said...

; how he came from the pourest of pore to becoming one of the riches' men in ny and the uS is amazing, But on the other hand hearing him tell how the smuggled drugs in the coffins of dead US solders from the Vietnam war and how he coldly killed a man just to get street cred is just as distrubingIf you don't have a vision, keep asking yourself for one. If you ask long enough, you will receive. ask "what could be" this is how taste is raised, uniqueness is achieved and style is borun. get stubborn....If you happen to be one of those artists driven by curiositey, you'r on your way. Inovators are lone wolves, rangy and indapendente. What's the point, in doing things like everyone else?"'''they ask,

zipthwung said...

Ikeya, I ken.

Idon'tbathe said...

Tidify da, sinmah gough dah hep haing ding fum gogamamo.
Stry da fings thadd awondt oont do butt any il thang thad a wondt meeto.
Shees my nurirng my nu esit seten' ra mind at a ros reshoo.
I don loo kadang doo my net loohah leten meen you

Hmm, I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole.
I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole.
You just don't know what shape I'm in.

Try-da-fy thedit dern tasgoo
Itel dang ifl eeton if airs ron wichoo
Day me dy ron my nek
Thars a dang ana ding doo itan beegon

Shee kina sitn wita ly dou fang
Let it ang wit a itin imin babee
Ide oln lee pak da thangs yoodo
Letit ang ifen eeton wacha ron wichoo
I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole.

Grayman said...

Off topic:

Hey artists using projectors -

Does anyone know if LCD projectors magnify larger than overhead? Ten feet back from the wall, which projects a larger image, potentially? Right now, I've rented an Apollo Overhead for my mural, but I wonder if I should get LCD instead...

Sorry, painter, for the digression!

CAP said...

Good question.

If all else fails, I'd enlarge the transparencies and project on a bit by bit basis.

zipthwung said...

What I would do is break the image up into squares and project them serially, maybe in ten foot sections.

zipthwung said...

Or use a fisheye lense and distort the image to correct for lense distortion.

Remember to drink a beer to keep your eye and hand loose.

CAP said...

Ten feet isn't very far to back off - how big can the mural be?

arebours said...

ah sayed...seriously,Who Do You Love?

JpegCritic said...

greyman, if you really need to, rent a wide angle lens for your projector. Epson has attachments for PowerLites. Dunno where you'd rent (perhaps calumet or adorama) but bh sells em.

no-where-man said...

Grayman - LCD video projector? as large as you want. side of a building ... look into mirrors for magnification.

webthing said...

grayman its a really subjective question depending on what model you are talking about. but generally, to be honest, from 10 feet they will be pretty similar. unless the lcd projector is one of dem new ones, that're designed to throw wide in someones tiny martini sinking apartment. an overhead projector is an artefact of a bygone era almost. to me from 10 feet one does video, one doesn't. thats how i see it. plus with an lcd projector you can keystone it to get a perfect square, even if its shooting from a strange angle, which is probably the most important thing for the result. an overhead will throw a wacky trapezoid coz you're usually shooting from the floor. squeezing more size out of ten feet throw you've got a shitload more options with a projector that you can swap the lens on, as mentioned already. the overheads magnification is fixed, but i still love em. from 20 feet or more, the overhead projector wins by a mile, if its dark enough. as you pull it back the picture gets massive, cinema sized. but eventually it'll melt your transparency if your leaving it on in a gallery. and as mentioned, it'll be a wacked out shape that you can't correct. too much info huh. have fun.

webthing said...

lofi or hifi, just go for the vibe of the work

zipthwung said...

yeah just buy a wide angle lense, they are cheaper than 10 hookers and some blow....but really you cant add resolution so I stand by my beer goggles and what cap should surely know as the old fashioned gridding off method.

Kara Walker used overhead projectors one time. I thought it was a good use of the space. Fortunately there are lots of people who caught on to the projection thing - we all owe Kara the wreath of grattitude.

You sunk my battleship!

zipthwung said...

actually I found an enlarger on the street - I havent used it - it needs a bigger bulb and I dont want to start a fire or anything. Plus traced shit looks like ass.

Grayman said...

Wow, ask and you shall receive! Thanks so much cap, zipthwung, webthing, no-where-man, & jpegcritic! Valuable advice~

zipthwung said...

Well, I'll be ridin' on the bus till I Cadillac.

presentation is nine tenths of the law.

CAP said...

Grids shmids.

You know from how small the present projection is, roughly how much larger the projection has to be;

You enlarge the artwork over however many transparencies bring it to scale - place a part with a picture corner to the appropriate part of the wall, trace it out. Then match the next piece to the tracing. Continue until wall traced out.

Even in tight corners, tracing is quicker than gridding. And if you're only tracing a photo, chances are it will look like that. But there is more to trace than photos.

Idon'tbathe said...

that brungs one last question: if divisions, then, characterize the present, how does that affect art During Modernism, with its trust in the lone artist's, the pendulum swang toward the privat, but now it is swinging decidedly back to the peblic.
according to subset method, the set of images is divided into four subsets of neighboring images. At each subset the spanning tree procedure is followed and and a new image is produced. From these four new images the final image is produced following the same method. For mosaicing 4X4 images the evaluation of the error over twenty trees is required (four for each one of the four subsets of 2X2 images and four for the four intermediate images). In contrast, the spanning tree procedure acquires the evaluation of 100352 trees..
Its how too do it!

CAP said...

First evaluate trees.

JpegCritic said...

you can have your hookers
and eat them too.

Listen, an entire industry's (the photo
industry) economy depends upon
the practice and infrastructure of
buyin shit, using it, and returning it.
Go to the burg, ask any stylist.
They may say they're a stylist, but their
real job is to stand in line at the refund
counter with their boss's account number.

So go to Calumet, use the rig for 2 weeks,
and return it. (don't go to b&h, where they
actually have a lamp-usage clause for 2 hours.
on projector returns)

Idon'tbathe said...

its difficult first cupple times but,...acording to the spanning tree proceidure; each image is corresponded with a node and each trivial mosaicing with an edge of a graph/grid. The minimum matching error of each edge of graph is evaluated and then tFllowing steps are followed for each spanning trea of the graph:

A Cartesian coordinate system is supposed. The coordinates of the upper left pixel of the upper left image (i.e. of the first image) is (0,0).
According to the relative displacements of the images, the co-ordinates of the upper left pixels of the rest images is calculated. (Only the relative displacements that correspond to edges of the current tree are taken into account).
The total cost of all the matches is calculated. The tree with the minimal cost illustrates how the set of images should be matched.
evaluation is neccasary!

CAP said...

Up to a point.

zipthwung said...

Digital photo stitching for mosaics and panoramas enable the photographer to create photos with higher resolution and/or a wider angle of view than their digital camera or lenses would ordinarily allow-- creating more detailed final prints and potentially more dramatic, all-encompassing panoramic perspectives. However, achieving a seamless result is more complicated than just aligning photographs; digital photo enlargement to several times its original 300 PPI size, while still retaining sharp detail, is perhaps the ultimate goal of many interpolation algorithms. Despite this common aim, enlargement results can vary significantly depending on the resize software, sharpening and interpolation algorithm implemented.

CAP said...

I wonder who thought Beowulf would work as a cockney Dragonslayer?

webthing said...

or you could just go all out

Idon'tbathe said...

I will silence the doubtsEven if it fucks me up right now i'm tetched, but I'm going all outi'm pushing my limitsHwæt. We Gardena in geardagum,
LO, praise of the prowess of people-kings
2þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
of spear-armed Danes, in days long sped,
3hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
we have heard, and what honor the athelings won!
4Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena/ þreatum,
Oft Scyld the Scefing from squadroned foes,
5monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
from many a tribe, the mead-bench tore,
6egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð/
awing the earls. Since erst he lay
7feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
friendless, a foundling, fate repaid him:
8weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
for he waxed under welkin, in wealth he throve,
9oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
till before him the folk, both far and near,
10ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
who house by the whale-path, heard his mandate,
11gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning.
gave him gifts: a good king he!
12ðæm eafera wæs æfter ce

Idon'tbathe said...

on secong thought; don't go all out now. Save some of the money for a DX10 card, but you aren't going to need one for a while.
get a good motherboird now. Make sure to get PCI-E 16x graphics slot. Asus makes solid Motherboirds. My system runs on an Asus A8N-E Motherboard. If you want to overclock, perhaps look into DFI. I heurd those are good for overclocking, but the Asus does just fine.

zipthwung said...

God may not have meant that this should overtake you, but He has most certainly permitted it to happen. Therefore, though it was an attack of the enemy, BY THE TIME IT REACHES YOU, IT HAS PASSED THROUGH HIS HANDS. He will make it, with all your life's experiences, FOR YOUR GOOD.
Unlike traditional radars, which use massive moving dishes to focus the radar beams, the SPY-1D radar system uses four flat planer arrays which steer the beams electronically under computer control. Because the planar arrays do not physically move, the radar beams may be moved from point to point in an instant. This allows the system to keep multiple targets painted with target designation beams.

webthing said...

rvhhrvrvh
rvkrkvrokvrokrv
rporpofrrirv
rvjrkjerjherverhvkejrh
erjerhvieurhver
erjverevoiervoi
nextpleaze

zipthwung said...

From ufocasebook.com This is where/when the UFO, aliens are shot at by civilian and/or military personnel, other UFOs, the UFO may be damaged, even destroyed, the alien may be wounded, even killed by civilian and/or by military forces, other aliens. Also this classifies hostile aliens and UFOs that have attacked people and property.

n: of the u kind.

zipthwung said...

Wu-Lung-Bai-Mei - "Black Dragon Swings His Tail" is a powerful technique in which one end of the Staff is held and the other sections are swung furiously from front to back or from back to front and slammed against the ground.

CAP said...

So you're basically saying there's a Scandinavian vibe to this color scheme?

Aaron said...

We are blessed with the IKEA at Warner and I-10. It's a great addition to the Phoenix Metropolitan area. If you haven't been to IKEA, I highly recommend to pack the kids and a juice box and head over for a looksee. The chief foundation for this last suggestion is the Rite of the Red Heifer (Numbers 19:17) in which the ashes of the victim when mixed with water had the ceremonial efficacy of purifying the unclean (cf. Hebrews 9:13).

CAP said...

Now will Brother Zip and The Living Praise Choir, lead us in God Be The Glory?

zipthwung said...

check the heifers hair. Check the heifer's hoof

Man...
Who trusted God was love indeed
And love Creation's final law --
Tho' Nature, red in tooth and claw
With ravine, shrieked against his creed. The jackal may follow the Tiger, but, Cub, when thy whiskers are grown,
Remember the Wolf is a hunter—go forth and get food of thine own.

CAP said...

Don't think wolves actually share the same geography as jackals or tigers...

But Man!

We get around.

zipthwung said...

India was definitely home to Tigers, Jackals and Wolves back in Rudyard Kipling's time.

This painting has a resemblance to habitat maps, sort of if you think about it that way, which is allowable under 10.2 section c of the code of abstraction. Look it up.

There is a counter argument in which contextual or hermeneutical exegesis should be considered but fuck that, it's being presented in NY for an international market, presumeable some of them could be Indian. I think this painting might be a hard sell to an Indian, unless thye were made to feel that capitalism is part of participatory democracy,a dn then I think it might inculcate a sense of belonging upon purchase. I;m sure that;s why everyone is buying second rate Chinese art, at least in the West. In the East its probably national pride mixed with neuvau riche gullibility - I mean I don;t know I;ve never been to China, but my brother has, and he says they have whole valleys full of smog. Fuck that.

CAP said...

Yeah I sometimes wonder why there isn't a similar push by Indian artists into the international market, parallel to the Chinese move. The Indian economy is supposed to be the second fastest growing, after China, and if culture follows economy, as the economists would have it, Indian culture ought to be at least as interesting as Chinese to the fading and decadent West..

But you don’t see anything like the waves of Indian artists being marketed. Is it because India’s not making the transition from communism? Its culture is a lot more comfortable with itself? That they are just more conservative in marketing strategy? The contemporary Indian art I can think of generally looks a lot less desperate than Chinese. I think the thing that puts a lot of people off about Chinese art is the mad rush to be Western and avant-garde. As if by sheer numbers they can capture the culture market, like any other. And a lot of the time that’s what the art ends up being about. It just looks like a hokey reflection of Western trends – we see them as just feeble reflections of ourselves.

Not a good look.

Where is Sunil when we need a comment?

Idon'tbathe said...

he may have seen Smog conversion tables compiled by one .an i know brad kalhamer likes to play baketball and supermodels so fucin whut. Its all inaccurate because they are based on the approximate formula I offered for Ease/ calculation. Tables for texts of fewer than 30 sentences are statistically invalid as well, because the formula was normed on 30-sentence samples. and what about hot chinese artmarket Cui Xiuwen, Dong Wensheng, Cao Fei, Hu Jieming, Huang Ziaopeng, Li Songhua, Liang Yue, Lu Chungsheng, Ma Yongfeng, Meng Jin, Xuthey likeflash in the panls i preffer vindaloo
you down with O.P.P.?

zipthwung said...

A month later EA Sports inked a $790 million, 15-year exclusive deal with ESPN, eliminating future competition. Annualized, the bill for Electronic Arts to license teams, player associations and individual athletes--from golfers and Nascar drivers to rugby players--comes to $100 million. It's hard for rivals to get anywhere near the ball.
The fact that they are already in office, and have usually already won an election, gives incumbents an inherent name recognition advantage over most challengers.
When you get down, you can't go 'round runnin' off at the mouth
That's rule number one in this OPP establishment
You keep your mouth shut and it won't get back to her or him
Exciting isn't it, a special kinda business
Many of you will catch the same sorta OPP is you with
Him or her for sure is going to admit it
When OPP comes, damn-- skippy I'm with it

No Rush said...

sunil hopefully has bored himself to death and you are next.

opp is no problem-do it til your satisfied. im only down with ODB but he seems to be ded and im just waitn for the next beautiful "reatard" to take up the slack

saw no country for old men and am ready to kill myself now, or at least figure out how to float a society of women & gay men only. can we get a female scientist to work on that? or just a nice virus to rid us of the swinging dicks?

zipthwung said...

If people see this footage, they'll say, 'Oh my God, that's terrible,' and they'll go on eating their dinners. There aren't strong rivalries, no one tries to seduce the warden or doctor in order to try and escape, and no inmates make out. There are 2 shower scenes, that I suspect is just recycled footage, but no fights breaks out / no one is seduced here - or anywhere for that matter! If you were suddenly castaway on a desert island or stranded in the wilderness or a jungle, what\'s the one tool you would want at your side? The answer is a good machete. You see the machete, over the last three centuries, has proven to be the ultimate outdoor and survival tool. It will cut, chop, slash, hack, split, scrape, scoop, hammer, dig, crush, carve, whittle, crack or smash just about anything you can put in front of it. The machete also makes a deadly improvised weapon. It can be used to kill both fish and game and will gut, scale, filet, skin, quarter, and butcher them for the table as well.

Idon'tbathe said...

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o'beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's ``Thank you, Mister Atkins,'' when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's ``Thank you, Mr. Atkins,'' when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy how's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

zipthwung said...

It has been significant presence in the general outlook of many historical cultures: things are going to the dogs, the Golden age is in the past, and the current generation is fit only for dumbing down and cultural careerism.

The criterion and rule of the true is to have made it. Accordingly, our clear and distinct idea of the mind cannot be a criterion of the mind itself, still less of other truths. For while the mind perceives itself, it does not make itself.

The Thompson was also used in limited issue by the U.S. Marine Corps (carrying over from their Post Office service[9]) as the M1928 in a series of interventions in Central America, particularly Nicaragua, where it was popular with the Marines as a point-defense weapon for countering ambush by Sandinista guerrillas.

zipthwung said...

In 1982, under pressure from Congress, the U.S. State Department declared Contra activities terrorism.[citation needed] This meant the US could no longer openly support the Contras. The Congressional Intelligence Committee confirmed reports of Contra atrocities such as rape, torture, summary executions, and indiscriminate killings.

The Reagan administration's support for the Contras continued to stir controversy well into the 1990s. In August 1996, San Jose Mercury News reporter Gary Webb published a series titled Dark Alliance,[31] linking the origins of crack cocaine in California (largely aimed at its African-American population) to the CIA-Contra alliance. Freedom of Information Act inquiries by the National Security Archive and other investigators unearthed a number of documents showing that White House officials, including Oliver North, knew about and supported using money raised via drug trafficking to fund the Contras. Sen. John Kerry's report in 1988 led to the same conclusions. However, the Justice Department denied the allegations, and the mainstream US media downplayed them.

zipthwung said...

Dopamine is used in the formation of neural networks, or ways that we think. If someone does something correctly, the brain releases a small amount of the drug to reward and encourage similar behaviors. Crack use leads to the formation of new neural networks that are formed by large amounts of dopamine, which also contributes to the addictive nature of the drug. When users think about crack, the new neural pathways that crack has formed invoke positive emotions, as crack becomes more and more associated with intense euphoria. The increasing exposure to the drug decreases the amount of dopamine that the brain naturally releases, which can permanently affect the neural networks.He records his struggles to find a way to stop the decay until he realizes the futility of his situation. Charlie's writings gradually begin to reflect the recession of his intelligence. He becomes depressed when he realizes that he can no longer understand his own proof – the pinnacle of his genius phase. By the end of the story, Charlie's brain has returned to its initial state.

American Genius said...

I love this image.

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