This was a bad show. Not since the eponymous "vuelva al futuro III:" show has there been such a dog by such a well know, and eponymous artist.
Is it the stench of rotting flesh? lost in translation from attenuatated alienated flashes of New Mexican sun? The proverbial boiling of the proverbial frog?
How can something so out of touch with NEW YORK be on PAINTERSNYC?
oh, theres the faux expressionism so touted in several artists, including the Norwegian Albert Ohelen, who is named all too often for no reason the market in particuar. oh but he's so droll!
What tribes? Obviously an entrenched and stodgy bunch, retrograde and reactionary, fearfull of losing their art pension, their market inch. Their modicum of je ne sais quoi.
Cannonized? We broke the unions! Out with the trash I say!
THe new era requires newer, more elaborate strategies! More subversive! Plus de subversion! More avant guard! Recherche la derriere guard! SO that we, and we alone are running at the barricades, cocktails in hand (explosive!) Run tiger run! THe young turks are younger no longer and their machine guns are no match for the juju armor. I give you the key to heaven; a ticket to hell, should you wish to visit! Run run! No the other way? They tore down the goal posts and revuilt the stadium as a carnegie lyceum. Do you have your day pass?
What monopoly have they, to erect such an affront to the cause, such as it is?
The gallery is almost as pretentious as Elizabeth Dee, and yet has more money! How can that be? Does Bellweather, whos grandmarm could outsniff royalty, in a land that hos no royals! Ah the true heir apparent with yale pedigree trailing ,taillike, from the oubliette of ignomy. Or anomie.
I dont read baudrillard, I embody it, like a cheese scented cheese. Like a breeze scented aerosol!
Arbeit macht frei! as heidegger says.
How does it feel to me Miss Interpreted? I wouldnt know, how do you define interpretation? Interpenetration? Indignation?
I met and talked briefly with Susan at a talk she gave on her paintings shortly after 9-11-01. She had just been in NYC and described seeing the destruction. Her description is still more vivid for me than all the pictures, and her sadness was evident. Although this style in which she picks apart her figures was started before that tradgedy, they take on a new meaning for me because of that insight into what NYC meant and means to her.
Out of touch with New York? She will never be that, although she may paint about the loss of leaving and the loss of what she left.
Theres more money to be made off of 9-11, sure, I'll grant you that.
My fave is the coin with the 9-11 silver coin - "when the silver is gone its gone!"
"Instead of being made of pure silver, Spitzer said in court documents, the medallion is an inexpensive metal alloy plated with one ten-thousandth of an inch of silver. Its value is about 1.4 cents, Spitzer said.
On Friday, the coins were being offered for sale on e-Bay for $49.95 each.
I was reading about how every snowflake is different, in my chaos theory book (gleik). Its a bit pop, but it does have some profound insights into the nature of nature.
For example every brush stroke is diffrent. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Hmm... I'm chiming in from Boulder, CO. Expressionism is definitely in around here these days. Rothenberg's work seems fresh & appealing to me. Beautiful brushiness. Colors. All that white and pink and black. Goofy. But sincere. What the heck is going on with those dogs, anyway?
You might think id like this but i dont. Too much image. And I hate dogs (and rick santorum). Im beginning to hate cats too. Robert Ryman I love.
And if we're talkin coitus interruptus. I was going to say on the Kaye Donachie (love it) thread...my great great grandparents came here from scotland to live on the oneida commune. they practiced all sorts of kooky things including CI as birth control and a method to create equality for women. Ok so at least they tried as i always say. see where it comes from? I love Sam Durant too. Andy Goldsworthy is not as good as his predecessor Richard Long but they are both pretty OK
Its all Sierpinski sponge painting out here. THat or nostalgie pour la boue. arte povera or thrift store conceptualism.
I was doing bookshelves as altars waaaaay before everyone. Im too young to be the first to have done paintings of bookshelves, but video of my book collection art is really in on utube. WHo did that first?
I want to like this; she's a seminal figure & I liked the horse paintings. But it feels like she's not progressing, stuck in the 80s, and those body parts remind me too much of Nauman's taxidermy forms.
Yes, bad performance. And the last show was better - but still sucked. The next show should put the nail in the coffin. Or the coffin nail will be used up. Either way, Im voting her off the island. There can be only one, after all.
I did like the Scarface sculpture in the little side room though. Theres some theory about how you know, in the mirror hall, mirrors and all that - wish I could remember.
Anyways it reminded me of the scene in scarface where the dude is telling Pacino about how they opperate.
Then I got to thinking about horses heads.
I shoulda gone to the passion=money (jesus Christ? Everything is filmic for me) thing but you know 5 bucks is a pint or almost a six pack at the bodegga. WHat would I learn really? Let the rubes and the marks go. Why ask why? Double your pleasure? Image is nothing? Touch and Be Touched.
but you know wheres Jerry's catalog essay for the Mathew show? Is there one? I dont think so.
Last I head Jerry was cooing over restraint. But oops, now hes taking the piss? Is he really? OMG what did he say?
What does that mean? Jerrys not good enough? Big Trouble in Little China? Luck of the draw?
10-4 good buddy!
I remember when it was transhuman this and leather pants that, just a few short years ago.
Kim Levin (VV critic) reads like Saltz - conversational, rah rah sis boom bah, pop poms and all that. Did she get nominated for a fucking pulitzer? MAke a fortune on the art market? Thats not ethical, no no no nah no.
Is the nomination some sort of ironic diss?
Not to say I read much - VV - its free and easy and i have no place Im going to.
A seminal figure for sure, in her time. And there are some works in the show that remind me of Susan Rothenberg: Three Breathing Heads, 2006, for example. At some point in her career Ms. Rothenberg wanted to be able to do things with paint like others were doing--drawing in form, giving greater more distinct form to things--to bring 'them' out in the light.
And at least on one level, this she continues to do. However, perhaps this against some better, deeper, judgment, or instinct. What lurks on the canvas and in drawings is an inhalation of darkness less inspirational bits, often indeed resembling a mask; or a straight cancelled-out line, a blinding zip, though this all lacks the primal or spiritual power of her early work. This is vivisection--a ceremony of sorts.
It could be argued some decisions, expected freedoms, didn't come up for Ms. Rothenberg. It's time just to stand back, stop looking: Never turn back! That's the secret of all new revolutionary leaps. There are signals up on offer, for both the viewer and Susan Rothenberg. We should all take the leap.
New York, New Mexico, 80's, Now, snowflakes, brushstrokes, who cares?
This is a bad painting period. What the hell is that in the upper left corner? My eye keeps going to it and it looks like a pink mask of some sort, like something in an S&M emporium. Not good. Makes me think- Beastiality? Ugh, ugh, ugh. This is stupid. Bad color, bad composition, and fer godsakes SR is an artist who needs many, many of these dodgy and manic little strokes to make a convincing image this just does nothing. Line? Don't get me started.
The domino paintings are much better and dominoes are so New York. Dog humping is what happens when you keep up your white wine habit up in that thin air.
I hate the gimmicky part of this painting but you have to admit her handling of paint over the years has been really good. Its like she has gotten board and doesnt no what to paint. No direction. I have only seen one of her paintings in person. It was from the UBS collection. It was a blue figure forming the shape of a U.
Rothenberg does not translate in reproductions. Her paintings only seem "alive" in person.
"The artist is so attuned to the expression of her spiritual aspirations through her art, not only could she create with her eyes closed, she does." hehe ---from Art Criticism 101
the big pink horse is great. Thats why shes cannonized. The wolves chewing up a rabbit or whatever is groovy but this is isnt that. Get out of the pot, peter.
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This was a bad show. Not since the eponymous "vuelva al futuro III:" show has there been such a dog by such a well know, and eponymous artist.
Is it the stench of rotting flesh? lost in translation from attenuatated alienated flashes of New Mexican sun? The proverbial boiling of the proverbial frog?
How can something so out of touch with NEW YORK be on PAINTERSNYC?
oh, theres the faux expressionism so touted in several artists, including the Norwegian Albert Ohelen, who is named all too often for no reason the market in particuar. oh but he's so droll!
What tribes? Obviously an entrenched and stodgy bunch, retrograde and reactionary, fearfull of losing their art pension, their market inch. Their modicum of je ne sais quoi.
Cannonized? We broke the unions! Out with the trash I say!
THe new era requires newer, more elaborate strategies! More subversive! Plus de subversion! More avant guard! Recherche la derriere guard! SO that we, and we alone are running at the barricades, cocktails in hand (explosive!) Run tiger run! THe young turks are younger no longer and their machine guns are no match for the juju armor. I give you the key to heaven; a ticket to hell, should you wish to visit!
Run run! No the other way?
They tore down the goal posts and revuilt the stadium as a carnegie lyceum. Do you have your day pass?
What monopoly have they, to erect such an affront to the cause, such as it is?
The gallery is almost as pretentious as Elizabeth Dee, and yet has more money! How can that be? Does Bellweather, whos grandmarm could outsniff royalty, in a land that hos no royals! Ah the true heir apparent with yale pedigree trailing ,taillike, from the oubliette of ignomy. Or anomie.
I dont read baudrillard, I embody it, like a cheese scented cheese. Like a breeze scented aerosol!
Arbeit macht frei! as heidegger says.
How does it feel to me Miss Interpreted? I wouldnt know, how do you define interpretation? Interpenetration? Indignation?
I think attitude becomes form around robert ryman,
boo!
I think attitude becomes form around robert ryman,
boo!
I met and talked briefly with Susan at a talk she gave on her paintings shortly after 9-11-01. She had just been in NYC and described seeing the destruction. Her description is still more vivid for me than all the pictures, and her sadness was evident. Although this style in which she picks apart her figures was started before that tradgedy, they take on a new meaning for me because of that insight into what NYC meant and means to her.
Out of touch with New York? She will never be that, although she may paint about the loss of leaving and the loss of what she left.
Oh, and I like her paintings.
Theres more money to be made off of 9-11, sure, I'll grant you that.
My fave is the coin with the 9-11 silver coin - "when the silver is gone its gone!"
"Instead of being made of pure silver, Spitzer said in court documents, the medallion is an inexpensive metal alloy plated with one ten-thousandth of an inch of silver. Its value is about 1.4 cents, Spitzer said.
On Friday, the coins were being offered for sale on e-Bay for $49.95 each.
Build it and they will come.
im a fan - for me very nyc in a real 1970's shadow chaseing (i was not there) nostaliga way.
The sense of touch is beautiful -the naked sincerity leaves me feeling a bit dreary,tho,like after I shop at the local food coop-
Yeah, sincerity. For me its what they were teaching in school, you know, load up your brush and drag it over the canvas like you just dont care.
Or take a rembrandt and erase into it. Like Longo, only allegro or venti or whatever.
Drop a needle on some better wax.
The human touch. WHo needs that? Machines are much more precise.
I was reading about how every snowflake is different, in my chaos theory book (gleik). Its a bit pop, but it does have some profound insights into the nature of nature.
For example every brush stroke is diffrent. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Anyone like Andy Goldsworthy?
Jingle Jangle.
Montana rocks.
Oooh! Love this. Out of touch with New York? Why?
I just dont think expressionism is in. That would mean I have to flip flop from my taste for razor edged conceptual "waffle" paintings.
And that I just will not do. Not without the popular vote.
Also: William wegman, I think your dog needs a nap.
You know cecily browns painted joke about dekooning being coitus interuptus?
In the same way, Im glad Susan is bringing it home, but this looks like the cover to ploughshares magazine or something.
Hmm... I'm chiming in from Boulder, CO. Expressionism is definitely in around here these days. Rothenberg's work seems fresh & appealing to me. Beautiful brushiness. Colors. All that white and pink and black. Goofy. But sincere. What the heck is going on with those dogs, anyway?
You might think id like this but i dont. Too much image. And I hate dogs (and rick santorum). Im beginning to hate cats too. Robert Ryman I love.
And if we're talkin coitus interruptus. I was going to say on the Kaye Donachie (love it) thread...my great great grandparents came here from scotland to live on the oneida commune. they practiced all sorts of kooky things including CI as birth control and a method to create equality for women. Ok so at least they tried as i always say. see where it comes from? I love Sam Durant too. Andy Goldsworthy is not as good as his predecessor Richard Long but they are both pretty OK
Its all Sierpinski sponge painting out here. THat or nostalgie pour la boue. arte povera or thrift store conceptualism.
I was doing bookshelves as altars waaaaay before everyone. Im too young to be the first to have done paintings of bookshelves, but video of my book collection art is really in on utube. WHo did that first?
Eva hess, I hiss.
Hey is beauty gendered? Because I think I see a pretty weimaraner.
Un chien andalou
I want to like this; she's a seminal figure & I liked the horse paintings. But it feels like she's not progressing, stuck in the 80s, and those body parts remind me too much of Nauman's taxidermy forms.
Yes, bad performance. And the last show was better - but still sucked. The next show should put the nail in the coffin. Or the coffin nail will be used up. Either way, Im voting her off the island. There can be only one, after all.
I did like the Scarface sculpture in the little side room though. Theres some theory about how you know, in the mirror hall, mirrors and all that - wish I could remember.
Anyways it reminded me of the scene in scarface where the dude is telling Pacino about how they opperate.
Then I got to thinking about horses heads.
I shoulda gone to the passion=money (jesus Christ? Everything is filmic for me) thing but you know 5 bucks is a pint or almost a six pack at the bodegga. WHat would I learn really? Let the rubes and the marks go. Why ask why? Double your pleasure? Image is nothing?
Touch and Be Touched.
but you know wheres Jerry's catalog essay for the Mathew show? Is there one? I dont think so.
Last I head Jerry was cooing over restraint. But oops, now hes taking the piss? Is he really? OMG what did he say?
What does that mean? Jerrys not good enough? Big Trouble in Little China? Luck of the draw?
10-4 good buddy!
I remember when it was transhuman this and leather pants that, just a few short years ago.
Kim Levin (VV critic) reads like Saltz - conversational, rah rah sis boom bah, pop poms and all that. Did she get nominated for a fucking pulitzer? MAke a fortune on the art market? Thats not ethical, no no no nah no.
Is the nomination some sort of ironic diss?
Not to say I read much - VV - its free and easy and i have no place Im going to.
KMA - more details then talkback..? seems unclear, what do u think about the fact that he was not in No Restraint?
A seminal figure for sure, in her time. And there are some works in the show that remind me of Susan Rothenberg: Three Breathing Heads, 2006, for example.
At some point in her career Ms. Rothenberg wanted to be able to do things with paint like others were doing--drawing in form, giving greater more distinct form to things--to bring 'them' out in the light.
And at least on one level, this she continues to do. However, perhaps this against some better, deeper, judgment, or instinct. What lurks on the canvas and in drawings is an inhalation of darkness less inspirational bits, often indeed resembling a mask; or a straight cancelled-out line, a blinding zip, though this all lacks the primal or spiritual power of her early work. This is vivisection--a ceremony of sorts.
It could be argued some decisions, expected freedoms, didn't come up for Ms. Rothenberg.
It's time just to stand back, stop looking: Never turn back! That's the secret of all new revolutionary leaps. There are signals up on offer, for both the viewer and Susan Rothenberg.
We should all take the leap.
SW is a hard space for any artist to look good in.
Needs a redesign if you ask me.
Begin with the entrance and work to the spray booths in back.
But in any case, if there was curation it was lost on me. Seemed more like a sample sale.
Never look back?
Ever see "The Cell"?
Charles Satchi has a cameo in it.
New York, New Mexico, 80's, Now, snowflakes, brushstrokes, who cares?
This is a bad painting period. What the hell is that in the upper left corner? My eye keeps going to it and it looks like a pink mask of some sort, like something in an S&M emporium. Not good. Makes me think- Beastiality? Ugh, ugh, ugh. This is stupid. Bad color, bad composition, and fer godsakes SR is an artist who needs many, many of these dodgy and manic little strokes to make a convincing image this just does nothing. Line? Don't get me started.
The domino paintings are much better and dominoes are so New York. Dog humping is what happens when you keep up your white wine habit up in that thin air.
I hate the gimmicky part of this painting but you have to admit her handling of paint over the years has been really good. Its like she has gotten board and doesnt no what to paint. No direction. I have only seen one of her paintings in person. It was from the UBS collection. It was a blue figure forming the shape of a U.
Clemente + Twombly + Zooiphile
This is a tough one. i am inclined to like it in the end, though.
let's get a lot of people talking, so the discussion is not dominated by one voice!
you start
It seems to be the conjuring of a muddled rememberence that took place in the dog park one snowy afternoon.
Wow. Tough crowd.
indeed
I have always heard that Rothenberg was hard to deal with. I know a guy that worked at ULAE in the 90's and she was not his favorite person.
i'm not really a fan, but then again I don't know a lot about art - but i know what i like, and I don't like this.
Rothenberg does not translate in reproductions. Her paintings only seem "alive" in person.
"The artist is so attuned to the expression of her spiritual aspirations through her art, not only could she create with her eyes closed, she does." hehe
---from Art Criticism 101
the big pink horse is great. Thats why shes cannonized. The wolves chewing up a rabbit or whatever is groovy but this is isnt that.
Get out of the pot, peter.
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