tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post7683041352078143806..comments2023-10-30T06:13:31.296-04:00Comments on PaintersNYC: Randy WrayPainterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05087735650298480553noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-14955729252264996822007-06-02T23:50:00.000-04:002007-06-02T23:50:00.000-04:00it is.it is.Barnabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10173849008817016053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-35502358355540870862007-06-02T16:38:00.000-04:002007-06-02T16:38:00.000-04:00excellent show!excellent show!---https://www.blogger.com/profile/15628954723137084451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-4639670267062547162007-05-31T22:48:00.000-04:002007-05-31T22:48:00.000-04:00you know from being a scenester.you know from being a scenester.no-where-manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00420608393276593672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-42837735332441857162007-05-31T19:15:00.000-04:002007-05-31T19:15:00.000-04:00after seeing the show, I would say that some of th...after seeing the show, I would say that some of the drawings look pretty good, and there may be a direction there. The paintings are the most obdurate things I have ever seen. How can you use paint like that, it naturally does something else. Maybe that is the point. I still think that the fact there was a good discussion around this work means there is something there, but not to sound bitter coz I really dont care but what is with artists showing twice a year, too many shows. Hats of to whoever said more is not more. Maybe that is the 21st century slogan. More is not more instead of less is more. I like it.<BR/>Also this thing about anonymous comments being weak...I could share my profile with everyone and that might make me a nice guy, but what makes anyone belive that a persons profile is really who they are?MartyMarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02521503707512818692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-87687722474084758552007-05-31T11:02:00.000-04:002007-05-31T11:02:00.000-04:00Heindrik panned Mr, at LM above - I went there aft...Heindrik panned Mr, at LM above - I went there after not liking the jpg, and I saw the painters at work and they were doing something I liked, which was make the outlines polychromatic like you might do with watercolor. But it didn't give me any more insight into the work. It did make me appreciate that real people were thinking and working, rather than automatons.<BR/><BR/>You could shield your work from all this like a sacred Hopi kachina dance. But even then you'd probably have some cultural anthropologist with an eidetic memory taking notes and writing a book.<BR/><BR/>The art world and VIP rooms around the world rely on this sort of "you have to be there" hokus-pokus to create mystery, and mystery is what is needed, because without mystery there would be no need for glossy expensive art magazines with theoretical texts with a breathless-academic-objective-everythingissointellectuallystimulating tone. <BR/><BR/>Paintings for wealthy people's walls and financial instruments for hedge funds.<BR/><BR/>You can't always GET a work by going to a show once or twice.<BR/><BR/>In order to really SEE a work it might take YEARS.<BR/><BR/>So summary judgements in jpg tribunals are allways suspect, good or bad. Except in my case.<BR/><BR/>Randy Ray, your work would go well in a Williamsburg condo - the ones on the park look great. One building has an air conditioned prefab shed out back for you to relax in because its not quite done yet. <BR/><BR/>"its illegal to get this high"<BR/><BR/>is the sloagan.DarthFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06622963355001261621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-20783204457183513052007-05-31T08:13:00.000-04:002007-05-31T08:13:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-65525815558234693562007-05-31T07:23:00.000-04:002007-05-31T07:23:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-55665011558411613482007-05-31T07:09:00.000-04:002007-05-31T07:09:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-41156482692888757052007-05-31T02:59:00.000-04:002007-05-31T02:59:00.000-04:00Hey nowhere, I've looked at thousands of images, m...Hey nowhere, I've looked at thousands of images, most of them photographs, more lately digital images...but I guess I shouldn't have opinions about Michelangelo, the Mona Lisa, Fayoum portraits, Iranian miniatures, Greek sculpture, Turner, de Kooning, Cezanne, train graffiti, Rembrandt drawings, or most of the paintings posted on this blog...<BR/><BR/>I find the its "just a jpeg" criticism snobbish and precious. I'd like to see all the images reproduced as black and white engravings and we could all comment on the same digital reproduction of an engraving. We could call it engravingnyc.<BR/><BR/> I didn't see the Jonathan Lasker show but from images and video and various writings I have a sense of the scale and physicality of the paintings and how that creates an odd tension with detachment of the design. You can find jpegs of the exhibit of Lasker's postcard size sketches for paintings on the web also. All these bits add up to one's understanding of a painting whether or not it is seen in person.<BR/><BR/>I'm very old fashioned in my respect for the construction of a painting and paint handling but I still have no qualms about judging an image from a photograph or jpeg. <BR/><BR/>It would be wrong to judge Titian's color from a 1970's reproduction but a black and white photo taken in raking light would still show his paint handling. <BR/><BR/>Maybe it just takes a little imagination to see into a photograph or jpeg.nathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02403850599896364080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-55344256151245811282007-05-31T01:13:00.000-04:002007-05-31T01:13:00.000-04:00The maid is at a family function.You'd better save...The maid is at a family function.<BR/><BR/>You'd better save the painting, it might be a masterpiece.<BR/><BR/>Roy De Forest<BR/>William T Wiley <BR/>Audrey Flack <BR/>Terry Winters<BR/>Faith Ringgold<BR/>Jesse Bercowetz <BR/>Matt Bua<BR/><BR/>These are some of the artists who's work will be destroyed in the bonfire.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-31704860487717888802007-05-31T00:29:00.000-04:002007-05-31T00:29:00.000-04:00Dog vomit? That should probably be cleaned up.Wha...Dog vomit? That should probably be cleaned up.<BR/><BR/>What about when things look better in a photo than in real life? <BR/><BR/>Embarrassing confession: Several months ago I bought a painting after falling in love with a picture of it online. (inexpensive student painting) Oh, my. It's hard to put into words how much better the photo was than the real thing. I can't even hang it. I wish I'd just made a nice print of the photo.Nomi Lubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07662026175506202868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-76879734427073457762007-05-31T00:13:00.000-04:002007-05-31T00:13:00.000-04:00If the work can't hold up as a jpeg, will it hold ...If the work can't hold up as a jpeg, will it hold up in a collector's house surrounded by children's toys, dog vomit and exercise equipment?<BR/><BR/>Or does that matter anymore?zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-36144924133426540572007-05-31T00:05:00.000-04:002007-05-31T00:05:00.000-04:00not sure what the thx. is for just droppin a line ...not sure what the thx. is for just droppin a line - at 57 comments this work has generated some of the most interesting dialogue i have read in a while on this site.<BR/><BR/>Anyone who's opinion comes from not seeing them in person, that does not understand there is more to understand is an insult to Fine Art as a concept.no-where-manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00420608393276593672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-91136349354151256222007-05-30T22:56:00.000-04:002007-05-30T22:56:00.000-04:00Aaron Johnson is correct in his response, except f...Aaron Johnson is correct in his response, except for that fact that I had the opportunity to see his work two different times at Marie Walsh Sharpe open studios, and then looked at the Pruska site, so actually my opinion comes from seeing them in person.surfkookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04587374546759881672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-21497340955309608272007-05-30T19:32:00.000-04:002007-05-30T19:32:00.000-04:00It's naughty, it's edgy. It's hanging round the mo...It's naughty, it's edgy. It's hanging round the mountain in some post-punk post minimal ordered chaos when she comes. It's in the bones. It's under the paint. Formally it is not in the edgy. Scattered or slapped it is not. Tailored for a comfort zone? Sorry, I see a show of hands. <BR/><BR/>I haven't seen the show, so I can't really comment. The above is just a commingling of ideas, from the comments, [reading that little review by Harris], alongside my own pathetic attempt to make sense -- taking in looking at the dozen or so jpgs available on site. <BR/>If painter hadn't posted this I wouldn't have even done that, quite possibly. So really I've spent quite a bit of time with the work, one way or the other.<BR/>So Aaron before you bowl us over consider 'all things are possible'. And then we'll get along just fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-48151983080191459742007-05-30T16:51:00.000-04:002007-05-30T16:51:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Thousand Points of Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02932681446685504110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-91809115083352335442007-05-30T16:19:00.000-04:002007-05-30T16:19:00.000-04:00More fussy than edgy. this is NY.More fussy than edgy. this is NY.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-45463787343208494082007-05-30T14:53:00.000-04:002007-05-30T14:53:00.000-04:00aaron, i'll take a nice monet over a florsheim sho...aaron, i'll take a nice monet over a florsheim shoe display-case back-drop anytime.<BR/>what's of interest is that this isn't really representative of his other work, which is ...what's the art word..."edgy"....<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>P.S. Thank you No-Where-Manseymourpansickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05785804444137776245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-78436752333199455812007-05-30T14:27:00.000-04:002007-05-30T14:27:00.000-04:00wow those sentiments are pretty right wing...wow those sentiments are pretty right wing...MartyMarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02521503707512818692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-49741407078414686442007-05-30T14:14:00.000-04:002007-05-30T14:14:00.000-04:00Scrapbooking is pretty big I hear.Provincial or my...Scrapbooking is pretty big I hear.<BR/><BR/>Provincial or myopic - isnt art supposed to preserve agrarian humanity from mechanistic depravity?<BR/><BR/>If so I'm against it.<BR/><BR/>Machines will save us all, if you give them a chance and discard this nostalgia for the gutter nonsense. <BR/>There's so much biomorphism is this work I had to take out my Holerith machine and tatoo another number on my forhead, just to make sure.<BR/><BR/>Degeneration and decay is for losers and fashion victims.DarthFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06622963355001261621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-81922549728644295432007-05-30T12:42:00.000-04:002007-05-30T12:42:00.000-04:00Seeing as everyone is very touchy about what is sa...Seeing as everyone is very touchy about what is said or not said, even though most of this is not even about the artist in question how about using some simple adjectives that point out the lacking aspect of this work or what people deem that to be.<BR/><BR/>such as<BR/><BR/>Dry (meaning lack of complexity in that there is no juxtaposition between this feeling and its difference (not its opposite)to create a tension between its dryness and other attributes)<BR/><BR/>myopic (meaning its insistence on hammering home what it deems its (well put) Southern Gothic content)<BR/><BR/>perhaps its the southern gothic that is annoying to viewers due to NYC based disimmulation views of those closer to the equaor in the US.<BR/><BR/>The works "informal" (Yves alain bois)qualities, specifically its base materialism, is not sufficient as a crutch to make up for what it lacks as a painting.<BR/><BR/>The informal generally tends to spill over into the composition, its meandering lyricism tends to NOT support the gestalt (yes I said it) of the work. <BR/><BR/>By this I would mean that there certainly seems to be some attempt to create a composition, the word offal certainly gives me an idea of what the artist is going towards, but then the base materialism and the lyricism seem fussy.<BR/><BR/>These ideas that are being explored are by now so outdated that I am not certain they can be explored without some additional data added to the mix.<BR/><BR/>That said I am very fond Randys painting, and being from the south myself, know there is a great deal to work out as concerns being southern and what causes an artist to flee that area. (I can only Imagine) but this position tends to lead me to read the work in a freudian sense, which is fine, but it reiterates the existence of the soul, in that there must is an implied soul in the translation from the maker (see Marcel Duchamp)<BR/>This does create a tension between the content and the intention, but it just comes out as (atleast to me) confused in many aspects, both formal and conceptual.<BR/><BR/>any thoughts?MartyMarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02521503707512818692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-61962227916180838242007-05-30T12:04:00.000-04:002007-05-30T12:04:00.000-04:00the sculpture looks like it burlesques the craft e...the sculpture looks like it burlesques the craft esthetic of the small town (which I am not into) so Im into that. But by my academic standards they are not good. And by outsider art standards they are too self conscious or not self conscious enough.<BR/><BR/>Its more a matter of composition - I prefer a composed painting over a chaotic one because I think it takes more mental effort to compose a work well - call me a moralist.<BR/><BR/>SOuthern gothic is not one of my prefered genres.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-70735058428232615532007-05-30T09:27:00.000-04:002007-05-30T09:27:00.000-04:00you seem to be missing the paintings and drawings ...you seem to be missing the <A HREF="http://www.randywray.net/press/newworks1.html" REL="nofollow">paintings</A> and <A HREF="http://www.randywray.net/press/newdrawing1.html" REL="nofollow">drawings</A> .... go to the show and you will see my point.no-where-manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00420608393276593672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-44561354608048158602007-05-29T23:44:00.000-04:002007-05-29T23:44:00.000-04:00Hey aaron J., I think we live in the age of mechan...Hey aaron J., I think we live in the age of mechanical, now digital reproduction. I myself live in the boondocks and rely on reproductions of one sort or another for getting my painting fix. Some stuff looks better on a screen or in a magazine than it does in person. Some painting is more image based and reproducible than others...at this point that is part of painting and part of the decision making process of painting-- how reproducible is your painting. <BR/>Some Ruscha looks great but they are images and readily produced and that's part of the painting...Some of his paintings look like crap in person, althought the image and the "idea" is still there. <BR/>Anyway, this "its just a jpeg" criticism is fine but that's part of art.<BR/>What's most easily reproducible is the image or design--what you could put in black and white. A decent reproduction will give you an sense of the facture or material qualities of a painting and if you've looked at enough reproductions you learn to read into photograph. But I've rarely made a major change in my opinion of an artist based on seeing a painting in person. <BR/>I mean, many Pollocks look better as an image. His technique sucks and his materials have degraded over time and unprimed canvas gets all grimy over the years.... Rothko on the other hand, looks great in reproduction and better in person.<BR/>Luckily this is a blog so I don't mind if I not making sense. I much prefer paintings as objects, for their materiality. But I still base most of my opinions on the reproducible image or design of a painting and am gratified when something looks even better in person.<BR/>This Randy Wray image, however, looks like a crappy chotchke and I doubt I'd change my opinion much if I saw it in person.nathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02403850599896364080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1447714441625368092007-05-29T23:29:00.000-04:002007-05-29T23:29:00.000-04:00I got a pretty good idea of what NY was like from ...I got a pretty good idea of what NY was like from movies like Serpico, The Warriors, Mean Streets, Taxi Driver Arthur, After Hours, My Dinner With Andre, Trading Places and Splash. Not to mention Breakfast at Tiffanys and Caged Heat.<BR/><BR/>Who's to say I'm wrong? <BR/><BR/>"paintings are objects, not just images"<BR/><BR/>I'm pretty clued in to things like surface, texture and even color, even through a jpg.<BR/><BR/>THis is because I've seen a lot of art and Usually I like the jpg better, because a lot of people dont do much with their varnish or patina, as I like to hear people say. Age is a really good patina - it mythologizes by obscuring the day to day and by emphasizing the unusual occurences we call events.<BR/><BR/>This painting in particular doesn't look like it has a varnish - unless its matte, and then is that really important?<BR/><BR/>Still, there is spatial relation, which is important, but I allways discount that because I think a lot of it is just real estate.<BR/><BR/>Its Black and its White and its red all over what is it?<BR/><BR/>A dead skunk.DarthFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06622963355001261621noreply@blogger.com