tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post115720847003075557..comments2023-10-30T06:13:31.296-04:00Comments on PaintersNYC: Lucian FreudPainterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05087735650298480553noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1160266180927673072006-10-07T20:09:00.000-04:002006-10-07T20:09:00.000-04:00Lucian Freud is a genius and the main reason why I...Lucian Freud is a genius and the main reason why I paint. I think he's one of the most important artists working today and as a Londoner he makes me immensely proud. I've seen Freud's paintings up close and personal (before they're shipped off to the states) and they really defy belief - he isn't really that interested in what the sitters are like but depicts how they happen to be. I think he did the best portrait of our 'lovely' queen Elizabeth - even with all that wealth you can't help but notice what an old she really is and he captured that brilliantly. <BR/><BR/>My tutors at uni want me to stop looking at Freud as an influence but I'm not gonna take any notice - as I googled their own work and it's really shite - plus Freud is a master at what he does. I hope to be as good as he is one day and be able to still be creating great work at over 80 years of age.<BR/><BR/>Freud will always be important to me as it was because I was given a book of his paintings when I was 16 and I realised then and there that I wanted to paint like him. Before that book art was a hobby I was good at - I hadn't even painted before - afterwards painting became my passion - it still is. Freud rules!!morrison55https://www.blogger.com/profile/12868349861239350889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157655157632886022006-09-07T14:52:00.000-04:002006-09-07T14:52:00.000-04:00Although LF's student work leaves me cold, I love ...Although LF's student work leaves me cold, I love the tight, obsessive work in his early career...neurotic form, neurotic content. I have seen several shows featuring his recent work, and about 1 in 10 have a quirkiness or vulnerability that raises tham far above the academic quality of the rest. <BR/><BR/>His real technical distinction is how he lets the oil paint dry quite a bit before pushing it around again with his brush, something that "luscious painters" normally avoid, resulting in a kind of constipated, sludgy surface.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00344489931742049897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157614768718892452006-09-07T03:39:00.000-04:002006-09-07T03:39:00.000-04:00no but seriously, aristotelian mightbe a better wo...no but seriously, aristotelian might<BR/>be a better word. I was only thinking<BR/>apollo-light-form, etc. But it runs into<BR/>the problem that Dionysus reminds me<BR/>of way too many parties in my BFA dayz.<BR/>And so, aristotelian logic will suffice,<BR/>as a descriptor of category-logic. As<BR/>opposed to, say, inductive logic.jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157588589069561112006-09-06T20:23:00.000-04:002006-09-06T20:23:00.000-04:00The wine bar?The wine bar?jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157586890387366942006-09-06T19:54:00.000-04:002006-09-06T19:54:00.000-04:00Why does everyone insist that the fat woman is gro...Why does everyone insist that the fat woman is grotesque? How narrow minded. <BR/><BR/>I think the thinner reading woman is hungry, and is reading about something luxurious and private, which is represented by the fleshy nude. The dog is dreaming of soft striped mattresses. <BR/><BR/>The larger woman is the projection of the unbridled thoughts of the smaller woman focused on her story. The dog is the animal brain at rest and stands for the absence of judgement or scorn.SisterRyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09965594512112007871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157585095802926082006-09-06T19:24:00.000-04:002006-09-06T19:24:00.000-04:00jeez jpeg...ever heard of Dionysus?jeez jpeg...ever heard of Dionysus?youth--lesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766715817815803423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157498221712775382006-09-05T19:17:00.000-04:002006-09-05T19:17:00.000-04:00rock on.cuz theses = feces.and trying to be a pain...rock on.<BR/>cuz theses = feces.<BR/>and trying to be a painter<BR/>should be valuable enough as a life-long process of arrival.jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157497215415340902006-09-05T19:00:00.000-04:002006-09-05T19:00:00.000-04:00jpeg your one smart cookie.You have just said what...jpeg your one smart cookie.<BR/>You have just said what I have been trying to say so well.<BR/><BR/>I waisted hours doing assigments for a class on this stuff. It took me away from the studio, it made you think like what the hell is this, if you questioned it, one professor made you feel like you were stupid, or your work would benifit from "medicine" of post modern thoery.<BR/><BR/>Hence the statement fully formed as an artist.<BR/><BR/>I was only shooting for things much lower, trying to be a painter.jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157490701510387732006-09-05T17:11:00.000-04:002006-09-05T17:11:00.000-04:00Or here's a good one. Every once in a while,an art...Or here's a good one. Every once in a while,<BR/>an artist recalls, in conversation: "...oh when<BR/>I became a 'formed' artist".. or "...that's when<BR/>I became a "formed' artist..." And in my head<BR/>I'm like: "a fucking what artist? As opposed to<BR/>'formless'? Who's telling these people that<BR/>they arent artists until Skowhegan or Yale<BR/>shits them out into the great white bowl?"<BR/>Form is overrated, and is a overly priveledged term.jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157487658760772922006-09-05T16:20:00.000-04:002006-09-05T16:20:00.000-04:00It is many things for many people.Theory based art...It is many things for many people.<BR/>Theory based art sucks.<BR/>So so generalizatons. They were<BR/>just a bunch of thinkers. That's all.<BR/>Read 'em, or dont. <BR/><BR/>I have a personal interest in what seems<BR/>to be (or have been) a project of some...<BR/>Both krauss and barthes seemed to offer<BR/>or promote a new alternative to think about creativity.<BR/>One that veers away from the Greek (apollonian),<BR/>materialistic, systemic way that this art world<BR/>has inherited by way of western culture.<BR/><BR/>Why do MFA programs still require Theses?<BR/>Because the systems we've inherited by<BR/>way of teaching and doing art still rely<BR/>on a pseudo-scientific methodology<BR/>that is so fucking arrogant and tiresome.<BR/>Artists statements are arrogant. Thesis<BR/>deveopment is arrogant. Hegel still reigns<BR/>over the artworld.<BR/><BR/>Certain thinkers posed a way of thinking<BR/>about culture that is more mutable, less<BR/>deterministic, less pointed, and thus<BR/>less arrogant. More field-like. More<BR/>playful, less discreet, less categorizable.jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157485913876441052006-09-05T15:51:00.000-04:002006-09-05T15:51:00.000-04:00I think you misunderstand me.I was not commenting ...I think you misunderstand me.<BR/><BR/>I was not commenting on what was being said, I was commenting on how it seems to me that there is(are) a lot of art history classes that are using the above writers as a base for teaching theory in context to art making.<BR/><BR/>I was just asking if people thought it was necessary at all, and[or]if it was more of a reflection of a generation of professors who are teaching now. Is it useful in creating work in or by which to frame your education.<BR/><BR/>I read a lot of this stuff, found it interesting as did most of my fellow grad students, but at the end of the day only 1 person really did theory based work, and that work was lame.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I understand how some of these writers challenged the notion of structure, hierarchy and power, but I was just wondering if people who make art really think about this stuff, or is it just an intellectual exercise.jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157476717736290272006-09-05T13:18:00.002-04:002006-09-05T13:18:00.002-04:00dude I was being facetious.I was chuckling cuz the...dude I was being facetious.<BR/><BR/>I was chuckling cuz the discussion above,<BR/>while being interesting, had little to<BR/>do with 'pomo' let alone psychiatry.<BR/>Lacan didn't have the power to describe<BR/>drugs let alone subscribe them.<BR/><BR/>pdog, where'd you get the idea that<BR/>any of the points posed a 'critique' of<BR/>postmodernism anyway? What part<BR/>of pomo did you think was being<BR/>criticized?<BR/><BR/>if lacan = freud then you = you granddad.<BR/>Which is to say it's an absurd notion to<BR/>over simplify lineage to a matter of equality.<BR/><BR/>The figures above, in their very different<BR/>ways, within their disciplines, challenged,<BR/>somewhat, the notion of structure, and<BR/>how ideas were formed within structure.<BR/>In different ways, they tried to challenge<BR/>the older notions of systemizaton, most<BR/>notably, of the Hegelian kind, which<BR/>modeled a forward march of the avant<BR/>garde towards the end of history.<BR/><BR/>This posed questions to any activity that<BR/>involved thinking, not just art. It punched<BR/>new holes and opportunities in the reading<BR/>of art history. As to whether or not they<BR/>would have anything to do with your making<BR/>art -- don't worry. You don't have to read them.jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157476713130257602006-09-05T13:18:00.001-04:002006-09-05T13:18:00.001-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157476709867593792006-09-05T13:18:00.000-04:002006-09-05T13:18:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157470354667312582006-09-05T11:32:00.000-04:002006-09-05T11:32:00.000-04:00Well Lacan comes out of Freud, we have to remember...Well Lacan comes out of Freud, we have to remember that Freud was born in the 19 century, and that frames his view points.<BR/><BR/>I don't think he is gospel, as Psychiatry <BR/>has evolved since, but he is the one of the first to understand and study our sub-consciousness as underlying affect on our make up.<BR/><BR/>My question is not about Psychiatry per say, but how the theories came to define how art theory is framed.<BR/><BR/>Why are we reading Lacan, Foulcault,Derrida, and all the existentialist? <BR/><BR/>Its interesting reading and it does do you good to expand your mind, other than that what does it have to do with making art?jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157468524221305022006-09-05T11:02:00.000-04:002006-09-05T11:02:00.000-04:00Some decent questions Pdog. I question the way som...Some decent questions Pdog. I question the way some psychoanalytic concepts particurally the misogynistic underpinnings of Freud are accepted as gospel and applied to art history. Not that I'm Tom Cruise or anything.kellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157461119512249802006-09-05T08:58:00.000-04:002006-09-05T08:58:00.000-04:00This is interesting, Lacan was a psychiatrist, and...This is interesting, Lacan was a psychiatrist, and his theories, which are used in a lot of post-modern theory classes are considered out of date in the Psychiatric community. <BR/><BR/>So my question is why do we still use 1960's based theories to have define art?<BR/><BR/>Why do we need post-moden theory at all.<BR/><BR/>Are we not beyond this? <BR/><BR/>Is pomo out dated, and out of touch?jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157460580894579962006-09-05T08:49:00.000-04:002006-09-05T08:49:00.000-04:00pomo=post modern theorypomo=post modern theoryjeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157436410766379682006-09-05T02:06:00.000-04:002006-09-05T02:06:00.000-04:00vaughn bode and who?frank frazettaaaaaaaaaaahttp:/...vaughn bode and who?<BR/>frank frazettaaaaaaaaaaa<BR/><BR/>http://streetsaresayingthings.com/sgallery/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=1Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414815083075269480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157435045617621802006-09-05T01:44:00.000-04:002006-09-05T01:44:00.000-04:00what's pomo?what's pomo?jpegCritichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355558084184256062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157429130727306182006-09-05T00:05:00.000-04:002006-09-05T00:05:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414815083075269480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157411589573926792006-09-04T19:13:00.000-04:002006-09-04T19:13:00.000-04:00i think it is useful to consider 4 leigh bowery:"H...i think it is useful to consider 4 leigh bowery:<BR/><BR/>"His outfits are so asymmetrical, blinding, and large that they are better described as costumes. He was the epitome of contradiction and boundary erasure."<BR/><BR/>which makes the poses in this vulnerable nude state really interestingno-where-manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00420608393276593672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157404088360304372006-09-04T17:08:00.000-04:002006-09-04T17:08:00.000-04:00From the Tate calendar ...Freud once said of his ...From the Tate calendar ...Freud once said of his human sitters: "I'm interested, really interested in them as animals." He believed that the sitter possessed secrets that must be prised out: " the subject must be kept under closest observation: if this is done, day and night, the subject- he, she or it- will eventually reveal the all without which selection itself is not possible"chahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11688219323347900795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157398898995682252006-09-04T15:41:00.000-04:002006-09-04T15:41:00.000-04:00Kelli, I'm cold-hearted, too, quite possibly. I se...Kelli, I'm cold-hearted, too, quite possibly. I see the figure as a compacted mass of paint painted flesh, pushed and packed into form, of the grotesque (overweight), transformed into the beautiful (a successfully painted image). <BR/>For me the figure seated behind appears more vulnerable--and another stereotype/fetish.<BR/>LF says something about 'how they happen to be', or something like that. Maybe the cold calculating is fairer, a more tender touch, than we think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1157389146674308982006-09-04T12:59:00.000-04:002006-09-04T12:59:00.000-04:00Kelli your spot on with the pomo critique.Freud pa...Kelli your spot on with the pomo critique.<BR/>Freud paints men, dogs, plants, as well and if you look at his work on a whole everyone(thing) gets the same, how do you say it,'gaze'.<BR/><BR/>For me Lucian Freud is a great painter. He does not always make it, I mean sometimes a painting seems unresolved or the proportions are off. But this is what makes his work so interesting, at least one of the aspects of his work, his ability to be so honest in his work.<BR/><BR/>There is nothing to hide, its all there, the model, the painter, his struggle with painting.jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03014751431677271423noreply@blogger.com