tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post115565108409908815..comments2023-10-30T06:13:31.296-04:00Comments on PaintersNYC: Martin BromirskiPainterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05087735650298480553noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-10937889055826082492009-09-03T19:03:52.215-04:002009-09-03T19:03:52.215-04:00mattress
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They sometimes remind me of Chris Ofili glitter paintings, yes, the worst paintings ever made (and no the shit does not redeem them) but unlike shit paintings I actually end up thinking about Martin's paintings. And not the ones that are obvious winners (his paper work is almost always very good)instead I think about the sandy canvases and odd color combinations and why would any one want to make things like this and finally I decide that they must be good paintings because they force me to retreat into my head which reinforces my decision to never leave my house again. <BR/><BR/>Oh, I almost forgot that the book that most people on this blog owe most of their success to(The Guide to Success for First Year Sculpture Students) actually mentioned Martin's paintings with a foot note that said they are good paintings which is the real reason why I like them. <BR/><BR/>umm.. I'm done nowLegacy Userhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08472628522860202447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1156007646708024302006-08-19T13:14:00.000-04:002006-08-19T13:14:00.000-04:00nate i guess the response i should issue is that e...nate i guess the response i should issue is that every 'good enough artist' needs to present a challenge to themselves and that is to fly far beyond those simple forms and arrangements of a two planed abstraction of bigger issues, if these issues are so more important than your overt concepts which are abandoned in what you are saying martin's thinking is about his paintings. If Martin's painting are more about its internal existence, life Kuspit would probably call it, than what it is doing as a painting its concept you call it, then what can you find out from Martin through circles (meatballs he calls it) and fuzzy kinda vaudy like vaudevillian colors a blurring an abstracting of something else that is not really here in this right now an outside idea. I was saying that I like when Martin goes out to an idea.Dennis Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804857627249397497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155793228247090532006-08-17T01:40:00.000-04:002006-08-17T01:40:00.000-04:00BTW, Dennis:I'm xeroxing some copies of Kuspit's "...BTW, Dennis:<BR/><BR/>I'm xeroxing some copies of Kuspit's <I>"The Good-Enough Artist"</I> and wheat-pasting them all over your apartment.<BR/><BR/>Love ya, good luck in Chicago ;)<BR/>-Naten8shachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04409793496374464185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155782232423456352006-08-16T22:37:00.000-04:002006-08-16T22:37:00.000-04:00Dennis, between what you put up there and half of ...Dennis, between what you put up there and half of your comments on Anaba, it's extremely difficult to parse many of the things you have to say as "constructive." I've been to critiques with you and I know you're going to call it as you see it, (as do I) but that doesn't necessarily mean that you've seen everything.... or that you're remotely right. And you never fail to insult not only the featured artist but the host blogs themselves with your commentary, which is easily apparent in your second sentence. Basically your post reads "Martin is shit, this blog is shit, his paintings are disappointing and if this blog wanted to be any better it would have my friend on it." There's nothing wrong with friends, but the overall tone needs some help to produce anything remotely close to your desired effect.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I can't speak for Martin but I think that he has enough work that <I>does </I>speak to afford some abstract work that is pure Formalism without overt concepts. I think what's interesting here, for Martin's sake, isn't any overt associations displayed in the paintings themselves but the fact that from the day of the first one he'll call upon any circle, painted, drawn, or printed from the entire history of Art and consider it reference material with the simple word "meatball."<BR/><BR/>For some people, that's conceptual enough.n8shachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04409793496374464185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155777769403170882006-08-16T21:22:00.000-04:002006-08-16T21:22:00.000-04:00i didn't think i was being mean teamtruth, i was j...i didn't think i was being mean teamtruth, i was just saying that martin is such the painter who when visiting his studio and seeing works in progress some were really beautiful like two days in. end of the week they're covered and bland. underneath the frivolous sand and shit is a good painting. now that's mean yet more constructive than most of the above comments. i agree that hellacious and james won't get out of bed series are really awesome, the meatballs just don't make a valid commentary on really anything. martin? care to comment?Dennis Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804857627249397497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155775016352891482006-08-16T20:36:00.000-04:002006-08-16T20:36:00.000-04:00that's pretty funnythat's pretty funnykellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155772984477961042006-08-16T20:03:00.000-04:002006-08-16T20:03:00.000-04:00sounds like my parentssounds like my parentsyouth--lesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766715817815803423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155760306255651982006-08-16T16:31:00.000-04:002006-08-16T16:31:00.000-04:00I remember bitter careerists who were abusive and ...I remember bitter careerists who were abusive and expected to be stroked. There are a lot of writers who had one or two good books in them and I think a lot of artists have 5 to 10 good years whether in their 20's or their 40's. Maybe the old guild system was better. People taught you what they knew and then kicked you out.kellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155755740177884302006-08-16T15:15:00.000-04:002006-08-16T15:15:00.000-04:00Teamtruth I'm not strictly speaking ageist and I d...Teamtruth I'm not strictly speaking ageist and I don't care about the market or what is current or correct. I'm strongly opposed to academicism and strongly in favor of oppositional thinking.kellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155746471560939202006-08-16T12:41:00.000-04:002006-08-16T12:41:00.000-04:00Jack Kirby is right. I like Green Arrow. his sidek...Jack Kirby is right. I like Green Arrow. his sidekick is Speedy - I think that's a drug reference. This painting is genreative for me - I;m a simple soul so all I see are bubbles, gum balls, colliding planets, cue balls, marbles and so on. <BR/><BR/>If I see one more "eye-candy" pun I'll punch the painter. SO fucking stupid it makes my eyes bleed.<BR/><BR/>I laugh at your god - now that's better. <BR/><BR/>Plenty of people work in places like noodle shops and coffee houses and its not an "intervention". <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.mtsu.edu/~proffice/Record/Rec_v12/rec1203/korobkov.jpg" REL="nofollow">this</A>sort of thing may amuse you but why should I care when its Matthew Marks? Why are you aiming at Matthew "Groucho" marks? Why not go for someone that matters? Like Kinkade?zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155736747148641822006-08-16T09:59:00.000-04:002006-08-16T09:59:00.000-04:00You should see what I do to lizards. Pull they lit...You should see what I do to lizards. Pull they little legs off. Seriously, though, good politics don't guarantee good painting. It's possible to have a solid strategy and still lay a turd. <BR/><BR/>If modernism isn't that prog narrative after all, and avant-garde painting is impossible, well, why not repeat, repeat, repeat? Or throw it in a blender and hit "frappe."slothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04422240307460315454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155732097086032122006-08-16T08:41:00.000-04:002006-08-16T08:41:00.000-04:00Kelli.Good stuff is still hard to please, which ev...Kelli.<BR/>Good stuff is still hard to please, which ever name you dwarf it with.<BR/><BR/>Right, radicalism is over. Ha, Hum!<BR/>Or more, rascals are easy to see. weee twea..<BR/><BR/>A good poet isn't one who needs to invent new words or phrases. Notwithstanding, that poet is not held back from tickling up a flash phrase or two, or inventing a whole new wanwitch, when they so find themselves in despose--or as it may please... beyond all sensible flights into comprehension. <BR/><BR/>What we may have now are paint benchmarks: radical, rascal, and the well-trained. It harder to sell worth without appealing to at least two of these. It's also very hard to work outside the sensible-- fear of lack of appease.<BR/>Hi Ho. whatever.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, Painter, for mixing it up. makes it worthwhile coming through...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155720362373551992006-08-16T05:26:00.000-04:002006-08-16T05:26:00.000-04:00The impression i get is that this is work that one...The impression i get is that this is work that one would have to see in person and with some context. <BR/>There seems to be enough there for me to want to look further.John Morrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11099009144603936211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155716129917971622006-08-16T04:15:00.000-04:002006-08-16T04:15:00.000-04:00You can't have an avante garde twice only less. He...You can't have an avante garde twice only less. Hence the various twentieth century movements which reduced early modernism. But was early modernism even about progressive degrees of abstraction or was this just a later critical (mis)reading of it? And can something which was once radical be repeated?<BR/>The easy way to diss Martin is to state that he is using an old strategy. But is strategy the only question and is having a cagier, more current or more effective strategy necessarily more valid?kellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155713693998450752006-08-16T03:34:00.000-04:002006-08-16T03:34:00.000-04:00On the whole, I prefer a so-so image that leads me...On the whole, I prefer a so-so image that leads me at least to wonder what else the maker is discovering, to a splashy piece that leads me merely to recall whoever it was who made a similar kind of thing that I enjoyed more (i.e., Wollard...). Not sure I would have googled this piece had I not seen it here, but was glad I did. There’s more to plunder from a discoverer than from simply another plunderer.<BR/><BR/>“...no visible social agenda.”<BR/><BR/>Been thinking lately about this Aristotelian notion James Joyce puts in the mouth of his artist as a young man: <BR/><BR/>“The feelings excited by improper art are kinetic, desire or loathing. Desire urges us to possess, to go to something; loathing urges us to abandon, to go from something. The arts which excite them, pornographic or didactic, are therefore improper arts. The esthetic emotion (I used the general term) is therefore static. The mind is arrested and raised above desire and loathing.” <BR/><BR/>I find it dulls the PoMo (or whatever) static nicely.David Page Coffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05538959960447063231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155712007079173452006-08-16T03:06:00.000-04:002006-08-16T03:06:00.000-04:00She's Pollock without the angst. DeKooning without...She's Pollock without the angst. DeKooning without the chops. Catharsis after the fact when the storm was over. And it isn't about gender because prettiness and decoration are not essentially feminine and Morris Louis is no better. One of the problems I have with the whole post ab ex era we are talking about is it's reductiveness. Second generation Ab Ex reduced the original movement to it's formal elements. P& D reduced the decorative traditions of various cultures ( specifically Islam) to pattern and threw out the original religious content.<BR/>Beauty is fine but when you reduce everything to formal beauty is that enough to sustain an image? I threw out Milton Avery up above as a more positive example of something reductive but not totally neutered. Unlike other people I haven't dissed Martin. But the very successful and the deceased are fair game.<BR/>Is reduction a valid strategy and is it possible not to talk about strategy?<BR/>Is what's left enough?kellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155707312212066802006-08-16T01:48:00.000-04:002006-08-16T01:48:00.000-04:00Mothra Jean Paul Gaultier is great and an example ...Mothra Jean Paul Gaultier is great and an example of someone who transcended his era ( and the Fifth Element ). Some people don't transcend their era and decorative abstraction including the pretty version of Ab Ex and P&D has aged sort of badly. Frankenthaler isn't awful but a good example of "someone does it first, then someone does it pretty". I guess a lot of Post-Impressionists were the same. Nothing new in this.kellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155700415286448802006-08-15T23:53:00.000-04:002006-08-15T23:53:00.000-04:00Helen Frankenthaler scarf doesn't mean much. There...Helen Frankenthaler scarf doesn't mean much. There are plenty of Picasso scarves and DaVinci neckties (not kidding). Anything can be turned into a fabric pattern, so what? I once had a Gaultier dress with silhouettes of men fucking. So why does she suck, REALLY? Too flowy/feminine? Decorative? Real answer, please.<BR/><BR/>Elizabeth Murray suffers from the same cutesy disease as Jim Dine, and JJohns sometimes. Next.<BR/><BR/>I like the image of Modernism as a smelly gorilla, jumping up and down on the Samsonite of finicky, rendery, illusionistic painting. Speaking of baggage. <BR/><BR/>Martin, I am so sorry. You seem nice, despite the Marky Mark Gallery association, but this painting screams Kate's Paperie to me. Maybe in person...? I'm not getting it but am open to being skooled.slothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04422240307460315454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155698803474061482006-08-15T23:26:00.000-04:002006-08-15T23:26:00.000-04:00Kalm James her story is equally sad. I'm talking a...Kalm James her story is equally sad. I'm talking about the work.kellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14026153505404995756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155697175965229872006-08-15T22:59:00.000-04:002006-08-15T22:59:00.000-04:00you should title this "when worlds collide!"Matthe...you should title this "when worlds collide!"<BR/><BR/>Matthew Marks?<BR/><BR/>Marty bought to get all blue chip on us.<BR/>how come you're not on the website yet?Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03414815083075269480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155696100151138612006-08-15T22:41:00.000-04:002006-08-15T22:41:00.000-04:00You've got to get this in context. One painting is...You've got to get this in context. <BR/>One painting isn't on its own terribly revealing.<BR/>There's not even a size credit; you don't know if this is 2 inches on a side or 2 yards. <BR/><BR/>Martin usually works small I think, which sort of renders the Frankenthaler argument moot if only on those grounds, although I don't see it stylistically either, but if I did it wouldn't bother me. <BR/><BR/>This is an evocative little image, reminds me of angels flying between planets of a saccharine-sweet, perhaps India-inspired universe. For me it evokes fringe spiritual imagery and lays it out in kitsch colors. Calls up occult power and reduces it in one stroke. fwiwLegacy Userhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06712646841594027722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155691532508697852006-08-15T21:25:00.000-04:002006-08-15T21:25:00.000-04:00As Mr. Rubin explained later to Mr. Tomkins: "The ...As Mr. Rubin explained later to Mr. Tomkins: "The notion that you can look at a work of art as pure form strikes me as idiocy. If the work comes at you, it comes with everything it's got, all at once."zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155689572604172782006-08-15T20:52:00.000-04:002006-08-15T20:52:00.000-04:00PAUL CUMMINGS: I think the whole social milieu, th...PAUL CUMMINGS: I think the whole social milieu, though, has changed in the last six or seven years.<BR/><BR/>TIBOR de NAGY: And the people aren't so very involved. I don't know. For example, I can tell you one example which bothers me no end. I called up Larry Rubin to lure him at least in. And I said, "Boxer is now a recognized artist. I would still like to donate to the museum a Stanley Boxer painting. Would you come to see the show and select one." He said, "I'm involved with . . ." -- I don't remember now whose catalogue -- ". . . I have closeted myself in my room. I can't do it but I will send somebody."<BR/><BR/>PAUL CUMMINGS: Oh, William Rubin.<BR/><BR/>TIBOR de NAGY: Oh, yes, I'm sorry -- William Rubin. So he sent Kynaston MacShine. Kynaston MacShine came, looked around. He didn't even call me back at my office. So finally I called up and Kynaston MacShine said, "It was a fine show but I'm not excited about Stanley Boxer." So by now I think he will have to pay to get a Stanley Boxer because <A HREF="http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Stanley%20Boxer%20&sa=N&tab=wi" REL="nofollow">Stanley Boxer </A>is important and the museum has to have one. This is a typical 1970 story.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1155689101149014462006-08-15T20:45:00.000-04:002006-08-15T20:45:00.000-04:00frankenthaler... this is interesting. i've actuall...frankenthaler... this is interesting. i've actually never heard that and never really looked at her work. she went to bennington though, and i was born in bennington and grew up nearby...<BR/><BR/>this painting comes more from grunewald, dickinson, eilshemius, and jack kirby than any of the artists mentioned so far.. and i lived in japan for a number of years, so a lot has soaked in from that experience.<BR/><BR/>oh! in case anyone is interested, i am represented by matthew marks.<BR/><BR/>http://flickr.com/photos/43686206@N00/69828326/Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13383812070175961882noreply@blogger.com