tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post114139686112538334..comments2023-10-30T06:13:31.296-04:00Comments on PaintersNYC: Cheyney ThompsonPainterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05087735650298480553noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141754313752274022006-03-07T12:58:00.000-05:002006-03-07T12:58:00.000-05:00SATAN! Right on, homes. The commentary here is ins...SATAN! Right on, homes. The commentary here is insular and masturbatory. You are keeping it real. Merci!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141610456929679432006-03-05T21:00:00.000-05:002006-03-05T21:00:00.000-05:00Look at brucewilhem2.blogspot.comLook at brucewilhem2.blogspot.comDennis Matthewshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804857627249397497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141497542221594692006-03-04T13:39:00.000-05:002006-03-04T13:39:00.000-05:00" microbe said... At least no one is posting so..." microbe said...<BR/><BR/> At least no one is posting song lyrics, selections from the reuters news wire or vintage car/formula one uselessness here - it's a step up from gawkerforum."<BR/><BR/>No accounting for intelligence. Thing about here is even idiots like me can post. Its an awesome responsibility, but by shifting the weight of the world from shoulder to shoulder I can almost scratch my PRIVATE PARTS.<BR/><BR/>Satan, you are not the real Satan. The real Satan would pretend to enjoy Mary Heilman's joi de vivre and then undercut it with a devastating bon motte at the appropriate juncture. Are we on the same page? There is no fucking way in team.<BR/><BR/>In conclusion, darkness, darness and more darkness.<BR/><BR/>Hail Dagon!zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141489889266980442006-03-04T11:31:00.000-05:002006-03-04T11:31:00.000-05:00Dearest satan (the devil), Painter, selects the pa...Dearest satan (the devil), Painter, selects the painting each day, So we know that it is a painting or painter that the Painter finds interesting for some reason. That is really all this blog needs to know. It seems to be working. There are comments from all over the spectrum and you can find new painters and get new perspectives on painters you have already known about. Stick around even you can learn something and inform others. Painter you don't need to change a thing to please the devil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141484743813391732006-03-04T10:05:00.000-05:002006-03-04T10:05:00.000-05:00Painter does not decide the quality of the comment...Painter does not decide the quality of the commentary here we do satan. Yours is good if you stick to PAINTINGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141441015157791982006-03-03T21:56:00.000-05:002006-03-03T21:56:00.000-05:00I always thought Satan would turn out to be asexua...I always thought Satan would turn out to be asexual...<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, this painting is cheesy. Popory. Avon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141437804280833172006-03-03T21:03:00.000-05:002006-03-03T21:03:00.000-05:00agreeing with the previous posts, the great thing ...agreeing with the previous posts, the great thing about this forum is its diversity. besides, it's not particularly good manners to browbeat people into a discussion - PARTICULARLY our generous host. every person doesn't connect with every painting, no reason to have a temper tantrum.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141434014835546272006-03-03T20:00:00.000-05:002006-03-03T20:00:00.000-05:00satan, maybe a good way to 'raise the bar' is to a...satan, maybe a good way to 'raise the bar' is to ask the group a specific question in reference to the work rather than just criticizing everyone in general. if you are frustrated with the discussion then my suggestion would be to direct the conversation in a way that interests you.<BR/><BR/>i, for one, like the free for all-ness of this blog - high/low and in-between. and i appreciate that 'painter' is not some moderator-overlord.fairy butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05503708181805361748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141430994645133782006-03-03T19:09:00.000-05:002006-03-03T19:09:00.000-05:00jeezus christ, critics, it's not SCHOOL-- why does...jeezus christ, critics, it's not SCHOOL-- <BR/>why does everything have to be an "improving" "higher" conversation? do we ALWAYS have to raise the fucking bar?<BR/>cant you conceive of something between a circle jerk and a seminar?<BR/>what i like about this blog is you can get on and say what you'd say to a friend while walking down the street as you leave the gallery. ok it's not the middle or end of the conversation, but just a first hit.<BR/>havent you left galleries and turned to your friend, and said, that sucks? or wow that was great. this blog is just a first hit. maybe get a small conversation going.<BR/>i for one dont need an mfa discussion everytime i come on here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141426364956944592006-03-03T17:52:00.000-05:002006-03-03T17:52:00.000-05:00leave the artists alone, satan - you'll see them s...leave the artists alone, satan - you'll see them soon enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141425988903409012006-03-03T17:46:00.000-05:002006-03-03T17:46:00.000-05:00At least no one is posting song lyrics, selections...At least no one is posting song lyrics, selections from the reuters news wire or vintage car/formula one uselessness here - it's a step up from gawkerforum. <BR/>I think just the act of posting more insightful commentary would be the best way to fight off the less helpful posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141424591990278232006-03-03T17:23:00.000-05:002006-03-03T17:23:00.000-05:00satan, will you go away if we ignore you?satan, will you go away if we ignore you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141423954287917082006-03-03T17:12:00.000-05:002006-03-03T17:12:00.000-05:00This won't be the first time I've said this, but.....This won't be the first time I've said this, but..<BR/><BR/>Hail Satan!Professor Mouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16384391068537473121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141423845278901622006-03-03T17:10:00.000-05:002006-03-03T17:10:00.000-05:00wow satan, you're a drag... i always thought you'd...wow satan, you're a drag... i always thought you'd be more fun. go figure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141421917700007222006-03-03T16:38:00.000-05:002006-03-03T16:38:00.000-05:00Painter (host blogger): If you're "interested in h...Painter (host blogger): If you're "interested in having a conversation on painting" then why do you rarely participate in this forum? Further, what type of conversation are you seeking? <BR/><BR/>It seems that you're satisfied with a blog full of mostly lazy, immature, and uncritical comments -- the status quo being exemplified by such witty banter as "this sucks" or "i love it" or "this is lame." Thoughtful, engaging comments are rare, although I'd guess that most who participate here would be capable, if pressed. Is this representative of how NYC painters discuss painting away from this blog? Perhaps this explains why so much bland painting continues to be made.<BR/><BR/>Why not raise the level of dialogue here by somewhat directing the conversation to a higher critical plane. Or, at the very least, you could set a rigorous, knowledgable example with your own comments that would not only serve as a positive model for others to follow, but would also be a discouragement to navel-gazing blog saboteurs whose only goal is to impress themselves with name calling and circle-jerking (hint: they become bored and tend to go away when ignored).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141420247164225712006-03-03T16:10:00.000-05:002006-03-03T16:10:00.000-05:00personally speaking, it's too much theory and not ...personally speaking, it's too much theory and not enough content - the difference between reading a recipe and eating a cake...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141418880166339442006-03-03T15:48:00.000-05:002006-03-03T15:48:00.000-05:00jd: "Working between zones" defines almost all pai...jd: "Working between zones" defines almost all painting (salle and polke were nowhere near the first). I prefer ambiguity over idealism any day. What are you advocating, pure abstraction and pure representation? <BR/><BR/>What's tired is not the endeavor of painting between methodological or stylistic poles, but the cynical intentions often associated with this strategy. Just because a painting involves seemingly disparate techniques, doesn't necessarily qualify it as projecting doubt or negativity towards painting as a practice. <BR/><BR/>I enjoyed Thompson's 2004 installation at Kreps entitled <I>1998</I> -- although some of his other work does seem annoyingly too "self-aware." From the press release for <I>1998</I>:<BR/><BR/><I>the artist refers to a time during which he "helped establish an artist-run gallery which facilitated the conception of itself as a specifically public and temporary autonomous site which could stand in opposition to the logic of markets." ... While these paintings are purposefully fragmentary, the exhibition itself is offered as a theater in which to consider the incomplete in a temporarily coherent way.</I><BR/><BR/>I think his installation fit this description beautifully. In contrast, for an example of pseudo-intellectual meta-painting gone horrifically wrong, see <A REF="http://www.maxprotetch.com/old/SITE/ARTISTS/CLOUD/index.html">Mike Cloud.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141418874984492772006-03-03T15:47:00.000-05:002006-03-03T15:47:00.000-05:00I think it's about different paintings (as objects...I think it's about different paintings (as objects) butting up against each other, not really different styles. I think it's actually devoid of style and about symbolism. Also the breaking down and rearrangement of symbols that reference painterly marks but are devoid of real process.<BR/><BR/>I still hated the Kreps show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141418437456891792006-03-03T15:40:00.000-05:002006-03-03T15:40:00.000-05:00You know, I believe in grab bags and chance select...You know, I believe in grab bags and chance selections, mystery bags and door selections, so when I see shit like this I'mm pretty sure the artist is asking for a sucker punch. Anyone got a pic? I'll be cast a bronze "paperweight" for the occasion.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141418266147729302006-03-03T15:37:00.000-05:002006-03-03T15:37:00.000-05:00Live and Learn<A HREF="http://nc.water.usgs.gov/char/raingage/Hornets-Nest_bldg.jpg" REL="nofollow">Live and Learn</A>zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141417755010994142006-03-03T15:29:00.000-05:002006-03-03T15:29:00.000-05:00attacking art as a commodity of the rich is a bit ...attacking art as a commodity of the rich is a bit like the snake eating it's own tail - truth is art has existed on multiple stratas of society ever since a caveperson stacked one rock on top of another and said it was aesthetically pleasing. someone said it was an affront to the spirits of nature, picked up the rock and bashed the other's skull. this apocryphal tale illustrates two issues - 1) everyone's a critic and 2) andy goldsworthy better buy a helmet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141416493671172942006-03-03T15:08:00.000-05:002006-03-03T15:08:00.000-05:00Sharky, great comments. There have been so many ar...Sharky, great comments. There have been so many artists (perhaps starting with Salle and Polke) who have worked with these zones of different "styles" of painting within one painting, usually within an abstract space. At this point, it's starting to feel a wee bit tired to me, and often suggests a kind of doubt or cynicism about painting as a coherent system. I need to see this artist's work in person, though. I mean, different "zones" butting into each other can sometimes be really great, too—Neo Rauch, Beatriz Milahez.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567598971282429142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141412916626884502006-03-03T14:08:00.000-05:002006-03-03T14:08:00.000-05:00Hey, if you like Trent's work you HAVE to check ou...Hey, if you like Trent's work you HAVE to check out Lee Baxter Davis's show at the Cue foundation. He is T's old teacher, a big influence on many over the decades and an interesting, reclusive guy (check out his artist statement).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141411920894026412006-03-03T13:52:00.000-05:002006-03-03T13:52:00.000-05:00yes silent sapien we are critical of everything. i...yes silent sapien we are critical of everything. <BR/>i would like to suggest another artist while your doing your homework for painter: trent doyle hancock at james cohan. <BR/>he's great.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141411808363134232006-03-03T13:50:00.000-05:002006-03-03T13:50:00.000-05:00I save the vitriol for issues about painting becau...I save the vitriol for issues about painting because I love painting so fiercely it hurts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com