tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post114061995217445139..comments2023-10-30T06:13:31.296-04:00Comments on PaintersNYC: Will CottonPainterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05087735650298480553noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1141088082929013902006-02-27T19:54:00.000-05:002006-02-27T19:54:00.000-05:00making a career of painting inherently rediculous ...making a career of painting inherently rediculous stuff,albeit with enviable skill,is just empty and perplexing to meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140796888795948572006-02-24T11:01:00.000-05:002006-02-24T11:01:00.000-05:00yeah, gimmie sugar and tits! I can't get enough.yeah, gimmie sugar and tits! I can't get enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140796835450962482006-02-24T11:00:00.000-05:002006-02-24T11:00:00.000-05:00yeah, Regi's right.yeah, Regi's right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140792348073358892006-02-24T09:45:00.000-05:002006-02-24T09:45:00.000-05:00I dont know why you people hate this stuff. Cotton...I dont know why you people hate this stuff. Cotton's work would fit in with the tasteful LA scene. Hollywood remakes of the wonka factory, Dr Suess rip offs and porn valley perversions. Some day Cotton's work will be in every hotel room like movies on demand are. The public wants this stuff.MEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15255375777910312532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140754495436724452006-02-23T23:14:00.000-05:002006-02-23T23:14:00.000-05:00Cotton's paint is thin. It serves image but does n...Cotton's paint is thin. It serves image but does not inhale. There's no getting lost in his candy atmosphere, though there's something fabulous about moving through large candy as if one were a chocolate drip. Frago is wind--his paintings breathe melodiously. The trees are magical. Currin, always snapped too fast for me--it was Yuskavage who made me wonder what precisely I was looking at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140725223231555202006-02-23T15:07:00.000-05:002006-02-23T15:07:00.000-05:00stuff the turkey.stuff the turkey.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140723994935980102006-02-23T14:46:00.000-05:002006-02-23T14:46:00.000-05:00yeah, I'm loving the over-the-top sensuality of th...yeah, I'm loving the over-the-top sensuality of the Fragonard, and not loving Cotton's. I have to think about this: is it simply that I'm more convinced and thus genuinely seduced by Fragonard's paint? <BR/><BR/>It's funny, though, thinking about what offends ones' sensibilities or not (r.e. the Currin/Cotton comparison). I wonder if it's about clues that the artist is being tongue-in-cheek, if they choose to be obnoxious. I remember how I felt looking at Currin's gay couple making pasta: genuinely pained at his scorn for them, and also wanting to crack up at the same time: Currin made you identify with his bias, and exposed himself mercilessly at the same time. It was a very uncomfortable experience.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567598971282429142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140718643669723532006-02-23T13:17:00.000-05:002006-02-23T13:17:00.000-05:00You know Maxfield Parish was used as a reference i...You know Maxfield Parish was used as a reference in one of those Star Wars movies. Star Wars definitely references matine movies of yore. And in that sense - of adventure, Raiders of the Lost Ark does too. ANd so, I find these paintings Spielbergian, Lucasian and ultimately, filmic.<BR/><BR/>Which is funny because I know Will Cotton used to, if not now, make models to paint form, which I saw, which is like totally what people do a lot. Like one time they Blew up a model of the Death Star. I was burning shit for months after that. And then I saw that one show on TV where the credits are rolled over a burning cardboard city. And then I thought, let the kids burn "Rome."zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140717077713051922006-02-23T12:51:00.000-05:002006-02-23T12:51:00.000-05:00Balthus.Balthus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140715723126614382006-02-23T12:28:00.000-05:002006-02-23T12:28:00.000-05:00I'm assuming Cotton is making no attempt at a perv...I'm assuming Cotton is making no attempt at a pervasive social statement, but rather is indulging himself in a way that is so over the top, it's kind of fun. So, oddly enough, my take on him is similar to yours on Fragonard (who I agree, is probably not the best example of the creepy oppression I'm laying on him).<BR/><BR/>Much as I enjoy the thoughts in my head, I think I'll actually go read a Cotton statement now ;)<BR/><BR/>I'm still pondering Currin. It's tough for me to get beyond the hostile representations, regardless of his intentions, but I will try.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140711948902955392006-02-23T11:25:00.000-05:002006-02-23T11:25:00.000-05:00CK, interesting points. I still can't help reactin...CK, interesting points. I still can't help reacting to Cotton's paintings of women as straight-ahead rehashes of 1940's pin up posters or something. I guess I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that he is aware of the cliche's he's referencing and is in some way trying to puncture them, but I think more has to happen, perhaps with the way they're painted, to communicate that. In Currin's work, even though they push buttons and are often hard to take, there's a hard satirical edge (kind of Hogarth-like), and a skewering of his own desires as well as the ways women have been portrayed in art for centuries.<BR/><BR/>As for Fragonard, I find that the men and women as subjects are treated pretty equally! They're just silly lovebirds (sexbirds?), playing pipes and holding round flower garlands. And surrounded by luscious, orgasmic trees. Also, Fragonard was an 18th century painter: I think there's a different standard now for painting about sex and gender.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567598971282429142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140705586881539142006-02-23T09:39:00.000-05:002006-02-23T09:39:00.000-05:00JD, I'm really stuck on the female representation ...JD, I'm really stuck on the female representation thingy. <BR/><BR/>Cotton's depiction of women seems very honest (almost embarrassingly self-revealing) in his ridiculous and objective glorification. He does not denigrate women, he reveals his own childishly idealistic fantasies. It's personal desire, times ten. He is revealing himself (I think), and not making statements (overt or subtle), about women. I can accept this, and even be delighted by the images. It's all ultimately about him.<BR/><BR/>Fragonard (and the like) hides his fantasy behind an acceptable, 'romantic' depiction that appears to nod respectfully at his subject, as a person. It feels like a statement, or an established standard of representation, directed at me (as a woman).This gets repeated over and over..it's oppressive. And it's still going on in many different ways. It's not openly offensive, but it is very oppressive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140704590228888752006-02-23T09:23:00.000-05:002006-02-23T09:23:00.000-05:00I keep trying to find the hidden otter pop, but pe...I keep trying to find the hidden otter pop, but perhaps that is deeper intot he woods? Just pecking away at the keyboard. SOrry.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140704132608404252006-02-23T09:15:00.000-05:002006-02-23T09:15:00.000-05:00I never get tired of pancackes, as long as there's...I never get tired of pancackes, as long as there's syrup. I dont kare if its corn syrup or maple syrup. All I care about is syrup on my pancaxkes. And butter. Lots of butter. And bacon is nice. Whipped butter is good, as a ganish from an ice cream scoop. I also like stuff in my pankackes, but I'll save that for another review.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140702634062914902006-02-23T08:50:00.000-05:002006-02-23T08:50:00.000-05:00Yeah like Santi Moix. He is a really interesting p...Yeah like Santi Moix. He is a really interesting painter. I saw one of Elliot Pucket's paintings in The Royal Tenenbaums. Weird. Other than that I haven't seen her work since like 1998.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140702156177676652006-02-23T08:42:00.000-05:002006-02-23T08:42:00.000-05:00schuyff used to go with elliott puckette. remember...schuyff used to go with elliott puckette. remember her? where'd she go? what happens to the painters at kasmin? they disappear even though they're still there!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140691949839095622006-02-23T05:52:00.000-05:002006-02-23T05:52:00.000-05:00ugh. horrible.what are these skills you all keep ...ugh. horrible.<BR/><BR/>what are these skills you all keep babbling about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140665222862144102006-02-22T22:27:00.000-05:002006-02-22T22:27:00.000-05:00patsy, Schuffpatsy, <A HREF="http://www.schuyff.com/" REL="nofollow">Schuff</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140664232831735772006-02-22T22:10:00.000-05:002006-02-22T22:10:00.000-05:00And if I'm looking for fabulous painting about sex...And if I'm looking for fabulous painting about sex and lusciousness full-out, I'll go revel in the Fragonard room at the Frick.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567598971282429142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140664136974175182006-02-22T22:08:00.000-05:002006-02-22T22:08:00.000-05:00I can't get into these. I guess they're technicall...I can't get into these. I guess they're technically good, whatever that means, but I find the paint to be kind of dead-feeling, actually; there's not enough tension or something. I HATE the images of the women: if he's winking knowingly at the male gaze, it's not coming across satirically enough (the way, at least in my opinion, Currin's work does). And the images of candy seem really empty to me; I don't get enough psychological info from the way they're painted. And equating sweets with desire seems a little simplistic to me, at this point. If that is indeed the point.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567598971282429142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140663815631544182006-02-22T22:03:00.000-05:002006-02-22T22:03:00.000-05:00does anyone here over 35 (assuming there is anyone...does anyone here over 35 (assuming there is anyone over 35) remember the painter peter schuyff. one of the original neo-geo guys, i enjoyed his work, but it occcurs to me he's sort of disappeared. has anyone heard about him recently?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140654323753599582006-02-22T19:25:00.000-05:002006-02-22T19:25:00.000-05:00please add some morphine to my tank, thank you.Oh ...please add some morphine to my tank, thank you.<BR/><BR/>Oh and the color palette - you know I love complimentary colors - Maxfield Parish, Mucha - you know these are names. But then they were more anal. Not so expulsive.zipthwunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02761727194113640578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140649271526913562006-02-22T18:01:00.000-05:002006-02-22T18:01:00.000-05:00Anon, I am worried about you. Please accept my sin...Anon, I am worried about you. Please accept my sincerest wishes for you to stop hurting yourself in this way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140645413831618902006-02-22T16:56:00.000-05:002006-02-22T16:56:00.000-05:00chie fueki at mary boonechie fueki at mary booneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18710060.post-1140643185827287632006-02-22T16:19:00.000-05:002006-02-22T16:19:00.000-05:00That might be better at http://grouphug.usThat might be better at http://grouphug.ustriple dieselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804150859377767691noreply@blogger.com